Useful link for verifying trademarks

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by bluemouse2, Aug 19, 2009.

  1. #1
    Here are 2 useful links to verify trademarks... good for verifying a domain name idea before registering it:

    USA:http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm and go to "search"

    International: http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/en/search/madrid/search-struct.jsp very useful! - just do a search for "Google" (Mark field) and see yourself

    By using these links we can avoid so many unpleasant cases. And if you ever receive a complaint you can check if it is real.

    PS: if it was posted before please excuse me
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2009
    bluemouse2, Aug 19, 2009 IP
  2. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    It's a good place to start, but remember that trademarks do not need to be registered to be valid - so if nothing shows up, it doesn't mean it isn't a trademark - just that it isn't registered.

    Similar, phonetic, and misspelling can all be trademark infringement, so that is why a good trademark search will run a few hundred dollars.
     
    mjewel, Aug 20, 2009 IP
  3. bluemouse2

    bluemouse2 Well-Known Member

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    how can a trademark be valid if it isn't registered? ok..bluemouse is not a trademark but I will sue anyone using it :)

    found this:
    So what I understand is that you have to actually use and register your trademark.

    Opinions please. Thank you.
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2009
    bluemouse2, Aug 20, 2009 IP
  4. Dave Zan

    Dave Zan Well-Known Member

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    #4
    Look up common law trademark, albeit that's more challenging to demonstrate
    than a registered one.

    Moreover, USPTO is not the only trademark database in the world. Neither do
    trademarks exist only in the U.S.

    Probably the so-called closest thing to the most comprehensive TM search is
    Google, as some TM lawyers tell me. But of course, they recommend doing the
    most exhaustive search you can possibly do.
     
    Dave Zan, Aug 20, 2009 IP
  5. bluemouse2

    bluemouse2 Well-Known Member

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    plus some luck I'd say

    however any respectable company should appear in those databases; and the more respectable it is, the more trouble it can cause you
     
    bluemouse2, Aug 20, 2009 IP
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    The simple point you are being told is that you cannot assume that because a mark is not in the registry that it is okay to use. One must also do a diligent search to see if anyone is using the mark who may have superior common law rights to the mark.

    Telling others that a mark must or should be in the directory of registered marks is both mistaken and misleading.
     
    browntwn, Aug 20, 2009 IP
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    bluemouse2 Well-Known Member

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    I'd like the point of a professional please. If you want to protect your trademark then register it...
     
    bluemouse2, Aug 20, 2009 IP
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    You have been given the point of view of a professional.
     
    browntwn, Aug 20, 2009 IP
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    bluemouse2 Well-Known Member

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    thank you I appreciate it.

    My conclusion would be: anything is possible anytime.
     
    bluemouse2, Aug 20, 2009 IP
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    Dave Zan Well-Known Member

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    But of course. :D
     
    Dave Zan, Aug 20, 2009 IP
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    bluemouse2 Well-Known Member

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    I've done my own case study and I've found 3-4 websites using similar names and domain names (same niche, different owners, the name difference is so small that is almost nonexistent). All of them seem to live in peace. So yes, anything is possible, in both ways.
     
    bluemouse2, Aug 21, 2009 IP
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    mjewel Prominent Member

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    There may be 3-4 websites, but only one has first usage trademark rights. You may never have a problem, but you are putting yourself at risk if you weren't the first person to use, and continuously use, a mark for a particular usage.

    The small-timer can get big - and that is when they hire an intellectual property rights firm to go after your site. The first thing that will likely do is file for a registration of their mark. They will use their date of first usage on the application - even if it was 10 years ago.

    Another event that can occur is that a large company decides they want a particular mark or domain. They will research for prior usage and find some little nothing site that has been up for years. They will buy a few of them with similar wording and usage (doesn't have to be exact) and acquire the associated goodwill along with the domain. They might not even have enough to win a trademark lawsuit, but they have a valid argument - one they will use to take your domain because you don't feel like spending hundreds of thousands, perhaps more, proving rights to your mark. There aren't many domains worth spending hundreds of thousands to keep - especially when you consider that if you win, the judge is unlikely to award you anything in the way of damages or attorney fees.

    These scenarios have happened - and will continue to happen at an accelerated pace. Spending a few hundred dollars for a trademark search can avoid 90% of the risk. If it is a site you are going to put a lot of time and effort into - it's a very small price to pay.
     
    mjewel, Aug 21, 2009 IP