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USA, Empire Built On Terror Capitalism and Secret Coups

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by popotalk, May 13, 2011.

  1. #1
    Us has Done it Again.
    SEMrush
     
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  2. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    Then GTFO of the States if you hate it so much .
     
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    IsraeI Peon

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    The USA takes a lot of space in the dust-bin of history.
     
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    It looked like They were playing Call of duty 4.

    So true, US has after 9/11 and even before tortured people to extents. It is only due to wikileaks that we know about this. The Guotonama bay had more than 200 innocent people being tortured every day.

    They may love their copuntry but they are still cold blodded and merciless.

    No country has ever done so many wars and taken this much lives. The one i marked in bold ( Laos) is worth researching upon and you will get shocking facts about US.



    USA, USA and USA. Al qaeda has done 6 major attacks and the biggest one did not take more than 3000 lives so totally they could not be responsible for more than 18,000 llives but US has easily claimed more than ten times this number.


    Lastly i would say you have really given a great thread.
    So should i consider this a 1 liner troll with no answer what he said was wrong.
     
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    Americans have nearly a trillion dollar budget in military expenditures and had not fought any one nearly her size and had always been late for war, but yet American can sing the national anthems with the wordings of: ...and the home, of the braves.

    Home of the sissies and pussies if you ask me. It is the technologies that wins them and having the largest military budget in history helps.

    If you look into the history, U.S.A has not really fought any one worth fighting, but yet it's citizen insist that their soldiers are brave, but how is it so, makes me laugh at them and if they brag about them being in the military to me, I put them in their place until they cower down (I am not talking shit either).

    Let's look back at the recent history with Osama. Here is a man with a volunteered soldiers (if you even wanted to call them that) wearing sandals and pajamas to war with AK-47, Rocket launchers and a vest full of gun powder. Now let's take a look at the U.S and see what they have to wear.

    Taliban Gear
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    US Gear
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    Notice how the US soldiers can look tough and brave when they know what they are against with.

    It is almost 10 years and the war is still going. Again like any war that the U.S has involve herself in, she cannot finish it, when she does retreat or go home, she will make sure she has killed the "bad guys" (more like civilians) by 350 to 1.
     
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    Qoute of the day.
     
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    So as a resident of the US what are you a sissie or pussie ? Since you agree that this is the truth you must choose one of the two options .
     
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    The words are: "Land of the free, and the home of the brave".


    Hmmm. Lets think about that. Technology, budget, money. The common precursor being education.

    Here is a concept. Maybe if your heroes spent a bit of time in school instead of beating women for exposing their faces and attacking better trained, better equipped, better educated military force, they could get the money, and develop the technology to eventually defeat their opponents.

    LoL. You talk a mean game on the internet bro! Unfortunately, your mom sent me your pic.
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    In case you forgot, the US has an all volunteer army as well. You also left out the fact Osama's "soldiers" strap bombs to themselves and ignite them in civilian populations. While you may call that "brave", I'm undecided as to whether "Stupid" or "Sadistic" is a more applicable term.

    So the guys in your photos with the AK's are civilians? LoL. Looking at your post, one thing becomes clear. The cause of death for your sandaled soldiers is stupidity/lack of education.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/half-afghan-forces-expected-master-1st-g
     
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    @ obamantion Glad to know you did not argue with the first post.
     
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    #10
    Neither of the two above describe a country but rather a singular politics within it - the sociopaths indeed that manage to hide in history when the faint moments of restitution vacate their empty souls only to return again after renewed triumph.

    The year Zero is where your thread actually begins when the Crucifiers became the dominate force of Mankind and have ruled ruthlessly since.

    Only when the Crucifiers are finally, if ever brought to justice will Mankind renew the true meaning for their existence the quest for the Outerworld of the Everlasting.
     
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    The poster is an American from Washington State. FYI.
    Same as the Vietcongs but US Forces were no match with an army of sandaled soldiers no air force -no navy.
     
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    I would have guessed Oregon. Not too far off I suppose. Just shows you that idiocy can grow anywhere.

    Vietnam? Vietnam, where the opponent lost 1.1 million armed personnel to our 58,000? Lets see, that means they lost approximately 20 of their soldiers to one of ours. If you think that means we were outmatched, I'm not sure what to say to that. We pulled out of Vietnam because Democracies tend to be intolerant of prolonged overseas military engagements, and ours is no exception. Also worthy of noting that Vietnam was one battlefield in a larger war that we actually won(The Cold War). Even more humorous is the fact that Vietnam has become very capitalist since the days of the war and supplies our wonderful capitalist society with goods produced by cheap Vietnamese labor. 40 years later, it looks like the only losers are the 1.1 million folks who died needlessly for Ho Chi Min, only to have their society capitulate a scant 2-3 decades later.
     
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    You're forgetting about some nice people called Wafen SS that where capable of butchering US military at a 5:1 ratio - did you skipped WWII when you learned history ? As for you putting soldiers in their place - lol , srs lol. Where do you put them ? At a bar with beer you've bought in their hand ?
     
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    You can paint it any you want but the FACT is US lost a war.
     
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    So this is why everyone in the US is speaking Vietnamese now ?
     
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    [video=youtube;yTbdnNgqfs8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8[/video]​
     
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    The indiscriminate use of bombs by the US, usually outside a declared war situation, for wanton destruction, for no military objectives, whose targets and victims are civilian populations, or what we now call "collateral damage."

    US Use of Chemical & Biological Weapons
    The US has refused to sign Conventions against the development and use of chemical and biological weapons, and has either used or tested (without informing the civilian populations) these weapons in the following locations abroad:

    Bahamas (late 1940s-mid-1950s)
    Canada (1953)
    China and Korea (1950-53)
    Korea (1967-69)
    Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia (1961-1970)
    Panama (1940s-1990s)
    Cuba (1962, 69, 70, 71, 81, 96)


    And the US has tested such weapons on US civilian populations, without their knowledge, in the following locations:

    Watertown, NY and US Virgin Islands (1950)
    SF Bay Area (1950, 1957-67)
    Minneapolis (1953)
    St. Louis (1953)
    Washington, DC Area (1953, 1967)
    Florida (1955)
    Savannah GA/Avon Park, FL (1956-58)
    New York City (1956, 1966)
    Chicago (1960)


    And the US has encouraged the use of such weapons, and provided the technology to develop such weapons in various nations abroad, including:

    Egypt
    South Africa
    Iraq


    US Political and Military Interventions since 1945 The US has launched a series of military and political interventions since 1945, often to install puppet regimes, or alternatively to engage in political actions such as smear campaigns, sponsoring or targeting opposition political groups (depending on how they served US interests),
    undermining political parties, sabotage and terror campaigns, and so forth.
    It has done so in nations such as :

    China (1945-51)
    South Africa (1960s-1980s)
    France (1947)
    Bolivia (1964-75)
    Marshall Islands (1946-58)
    Australia (1972-75)
    Italy (1947-1975)
    Iraq (1972-75)
    Greece (1947-49)
    Portugal (1974-76)
    Philippines (1945-53)
    East Timor (1975-99)
    Korea (1945-53)
    Ecuador (1975)
    Albania (1949-53)
    Argentina (1976)
    Eastern Europe (1948-56)
    Pakistan (1977)
    Germany (1950s)
    Angola (1975-1980s)
    Iran (1953)
    Jamaica (1976)
    Guatemala (1953-1990s)
    Honduras (1980s)
    Costa Rica (mid-1950s, 1970-71)
    Nicaragua (1980s)
    Middle East (1956-58)
    Philippines (1970s-90s)
    Indonesia (1957-58)
    Seychelles (1979-81)
    Haiti (1959)
    South Yemen (1979-84)
    Western Europe (1950s-1960s)
    South Korea (1980)
    Guyana (1953-64)
    Chad (1981-82)
    Iraq (1958-63)
    Grenada (1979-83)
    Vietnam (1945-53)
    Suriname (1982-84)
    Cambodia (1955-73)
    Libya (1981-89)
    Laos (1957-73)
    Fiji (1987)
    Thailand (1965-73)
    Panama (1989)
    Ecuador (1960-63)
    Afghanistan (1979-92)
    Congo (1960-65, 1977-78)
    El Salvador (1980-92)
    Algeria (1960s)
    Haiti (1987-94)
    Brazil (1961-64)
    Bulgaria (1990-91)
    Peru (1965)
    Albania (1991-92)
    Dominican Republic (1963-65)
    Somalia (1993)
    Cuba (1959-present)
    Iraq (1990s)
    Indonesia (1965)
    Peru (1990-present)
    Ghana (1966)
    Mexico (1990-present)
    Uruguay (1969-72)
    Colombia (1990-present)
    Chile (1964-73)
    Yugoslavia (1995-99)
    Greece (1967-74)


    US Perversions of Foreign Elections The US has specifically intervened to rig or distort the outcome of foreign elections, and sometimes engineered sham "demonstration" elections to ward off accusations of government repression in allied nations in the US sphere of influence. These sham elections have often installed or maintained in
    power repressive dictators who have victimized their populations. Such
    practices have occurred in nations such as:

    Philippines (1950s)
    Italy (1948-1970s)
    Lebanon (1950s)
    Indonesia (1955)
    Vietnam (1955)
    Guyana (1953-64)
    Japan (1958-1970s)
    Nepal (1959)
    Laos (1960)
    Brazil (1962)
    Dominican Republic (1962)
    Guatemala (1963)
    Bolivia (1966)
    Chile (1964-70)
    Portugal (1974-75)
    Australia (1974-75)
    Jamaica (1976)
    El Salvador (1984)
    Panama (1984, 89)
    Nicaragua (1984, 90)
    Haiti (1987, 88)
    Bulgaria (1990-91)
    Albania (1991-92)
    Russia (1996)
    Mongolia (1996)
    Bosnia (1998)


    United States Versus World at the United Nations

    The US has repeatedly acted to undermine peace and human rights initiatives at the United Nations, routinely voting against hundreds of UN resolutions and treaties. The US easily has the worst record of any nation on not supporting UN treaties. In almost all of its hundreds of "no" votes, the US was the "sole" nation to vote no (among the 100-130 nations that usually vote), and among only 1 or 2 other nations voting no the rest of the time. Here's a representative sample of US votes from 1978-1987:

    US Is the Sole "No" Vote on Resolutions or Treaties

    For aid to underdeveloped nations
    For the promotion of developing nation exports
    For UN promotion of human rights
    For protecting developing nations in trade agreements
    For New International Economic Order for underdeveloped nations
    For development as a human right
    Versus multinational corporate operations in South Africa
    For cooperative models in developing nations
    For right of nations to economic system of their choice
    Versus chemical and biological weapons (at least 3 times)
    Versus Namibian apartheid
    For economic/standard of living rights as human rights
    Versus apartheid South African aggression vs. neighboring states (2 times)
    Versus foreign investments in apartheid South Africa
    For world charter to protect ecology
    For anti-apartheid convention
    For anti-apartheid convention in international sports
    For nuclear test ban treaty (at least 2 times)
    For prevention of arms race in outer space
    For UNESCO-sponsored new world information order (at least 2 times)
    For international law to protect economic rights
    For Transport & Communications Decade in Africa
    Versus manufacture of new types of weapons of mass destruction
    Versus naval arms race
    For Independent Commission on Disarmament & Security Issues
    For UN response mechanism for natural disasters
    For the Right to Food
    For Report of Committee on Elimination of Racial Discrimination
    For UN study on military development
    For Commemoration of 25th anniversary of Independence for Colonial Countries
    For Industrial Development Decade in Africa
    For interdependence of economic and political rights
    For improved UN response to human rights abuses
    For protection of rights of migrant workers
    For protection against products harmful to health and the environment
    For a Convention on the Rights of the Child
    For training journalists in the developing world
    For international cooperation on third world debt
    For a UN Conference on Trade & Development

    US Is 1 of Only 2 "No" Votes on Resolutions or Treaties


    For Palestinian living conditions/rights (at least 8 times)
    Versus foreign intervention into other nations
    For a UN Conference on Women
    Versus nuclear test explosions (at least 2 times)
    For the non-use of nuclear weapons vs. non-nuclear states
    For a Middle East nuclear free zone
    Versus Israeli nuclear weapons (at least 2 times)
    For a new world international economic order
    For a trade union conference on sanctions vs. South Africa
    For the Law of the Sea Treaty
    For economic assistance to Palestinians
    For UN measures against fascist activities and groups
    For international cooperation on money/finance/debt/trade/development
    For a Zone of Peace in the South Atlantic
    For compliance with Intl Court of Justice decision for Nicaragua vs. US.
    **For a conference and measures to prevent international terrorism
    (including its underlying causes)
    For ending the trade embargo vs. Nicaragua

    US Is 1 of Only 3 "No" Votes on Resolutions and Treaties

    Versus Israeli human rights abuses (at least 6 times)
    Versus South African apartheid (at least 4 times)
    Versus return of refugees to Israel
    For ending nuclear arms race (at least 2 times)
    For an embargo on apartheid South Africa
    For South African liberation from apartheid (at least 3 times)
    For the independence of colonial nations
    For the UN Decade for Women
    Versus harmful foreign economic practices in colonial territories
    For a Middle East Peace Conference
    For ending the embargo of Cuba (at least 10 times)


    In addition, the US has:

    Repeatedly withheld its dues from the UN
    Twice left UNESCO because of its human rights initiatives
    Twice left the International Labor Organization for its workers rights initiatives
    Refused to renew the Antiballistic Missile Treaty
    Refused to sign the Kyoto Treaty on global warming
    Refused to back the World Health Organization's ban on infant formula abuses
    Refused to sign the Anti-Biological Weapons Convention
    Refused to sign the Convention against the use of land mines
    Refused to participate in the UN Conference Against Racism in Durban
    Been one of the last nations in the world to sign the UN Covenant on Political &
    Civil Rights (30 years after its creation)
    Refused to sign the UN Covenant on Economic & Social Rights
    Opposed the emerging new UN Covenant on the Rights to Peace, Development &
    Environmental Protection


    Sampling of Deaths >From US Military Interventions & Propping Up Corrupt Dictators (using the most conservative estimates)

    Nicaragua - 30,000 dead
    Brazil - 100,000 dead
    Korea - 4 million dead
    Guatemala - 200,000 dead
    Honduras - 20,000 dead
    El Salvador - 63,000 dead
    Argentina - 40,000 dead
    Bolivia - 10,000 dead
    Uruguay - 10,000 dead
    Ecuador - 10,000 dead
    Peru - 10,000 dead
    Iraq - 1.3 million dead
    Iran - 30,000 dead
    Sudan - 8-10,000 dead
    Colombia - 50,000 dead
    Panama - 5,000 dead
    Japan - 140,000 dead
    Afghanistan - 10,000 dead
    Somalia -5000 dead
    Philippines - 150,000 dead
    Haiti - 100,000 dead
    Dominican Republic - 10,000 dead
    Libya - 500 dead
    Macedonia - 1000 dead
    South Africa - 10,000 dead
    Pakistan - 10,000 dead
    Palestine - 40,000 dead
    Indonesia - 1 million dead
    East Timor - 1/3-1/2 of total population
    Greece - 10,000 dead
    Laos - 600,000 dead
    Cambodia - 1 million dead
    Angola - 300,000 dead
    Grenada - 500 dead
    Congo - 2 million dead
    Egypt - 10,000 dead
    Vietnam -1.5 million dead
    Chile - 50,000 dead


    Other Lethal US Interventions
    CIA Terror Training Manuals ,Development and distribution of training manuals for foreign military personnel or foreign nationals, including instructions on assassination,
    subversion, sabotage, population control, torture, repression, psychological torture, death squads, etc.

    Specific Torture Campaigns
    Creation and launching of direct US campaigns to support torture as an
    instrument of terror and social control for governments in Greece, Iran,
    Vietnam, Bolivia, Uruguay, Brazil, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and Panama.

    Supporting and Harboring Terrorists


    The promotion, protection, arming or equiping of terrorists such as:

    Klaus Barbie and other German Nazis, and Italian and Japanese fascists,
    after WW II,Manual Noriega (Panama), Saddam Hussein (Iraq), Rafael Trujillo
    (Dominican Republic), Osama bin Laden (Afghanistan), and others whose
    terrorism has come back to haunt us.

    Running the Higher War College (Brazil) and first School of the Americas (Panama), which gave US training to repressors, death squad members, and torturers (the second School of the Americas is still running at Ft. Benning GA)

    Providing asylum for Cuban, Salvadoran, Guatemalan, Haitian, Chilean, Argentinian, Iranian, South Vietnamese and other terrorists, dictators, and torturers.

    Assassinating World Leaders
    Using assassination as a tool of foreign policy, wherein the CIA has initiated assassination attempts against at least 40 foreign heads of state (some several times) in the last 50 years, a number of which have been successful, such as: Patrice Lumumba (Congo), Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic), Ngo Dihn Diem (Vietnam) Salvador Allende (Chile)

    Arms Trade & US Military Presence
    The US is the world's largest seller of weapons abroad, arming dictators, militaries, and terrorists that repress or victimize their populations, and fueling scores of violent conflicts around the globe.

    The US is the world's largest provider of live land mines which, even in peacetime, kill or injure at least several people around the world each day

    The US has military bases in at least 50 nations around the world, which have led to frequent victimization of local populations.

    The US military has been bombing one Middle Eastern or Muslim nation or another almost continuously since 1983, including Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Iran, the Sudan, Afghanistan, and Iraq (almost daily bombings since 1991)

    This, then, is a sampling of American foreign policies over the last 50 years. The FBI uses the following definition for Terrorism: "The unlawful use of force or violence committed by a group or individual, who has some connection to a foreign power or whose activities transcend national boundaries, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." This sounds like the terrorism we just
    experienced. It also sounds a lot like the US policies and actions since 1945 that I've just described.

    This is a version of an an original page atributed to Robert Elias
     
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    Seems like their doing a good job at controlling the world. If they are so powerful why don't they silence those that expose their master plans :rolleyes:
     
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    Who knows they may be secretely trying to kill all the people of wikileaks.
     
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    Very true(The part about painting it any way you like). For instance, you painted it this way:

    "Same as the Vietcongs but US Forces were no match with an army of sandaled soldiers no air force -no navy."

    Which is an entirely different statement than your moderated statement after noting the verified combat statistics which went:

    "US lost a war"

    You then tried to change the topic and went off into some rant clipped from a sourceless blog site, attributed to some no-name, as if it all had some meaning.

    I'll take your moderations and change of topic as an acknowledgement that your claims about the military capability of the US army and the US soldier as an individual were in error.

    There may be some military forces outside of the US that could match/outmatch our troops at a squad level, ignoring certain technological and support capabilities that belong solely to the USA. If there are, they certainly don't come from the middle east(Israel aside), or any other "sandaled warrior" third world backwater sh*thole.

    Regarding who "lost the war" you might want to take note of who is writing history. Better still, see if you can find communist USSR, communist Vietnam, or communist China on the map.
     
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