US predicted to become #1 Producer of Oil. (and that aint some poltical claim)

check the news, buddy. Just had an explosion on a "shallow located oil rig". Just occurred.

Seriously, do you think Americans don't deserve any kind of environmental protections? Is that your stance? The most miserable parts of the world have environmental protections.

Meanwhile keep defending Sarah Palin. She is a big heroine to the fringe radical right wing, but so widely ostracized and considered a clown that she wasn't invited to the GOP presidential nomination. That says it all right there.

Meanwhile your comments were completely identical to her comments about blaming the EPA for the huge gulf oil spill. The more radical the Right Wing gets the more it moves from the most basic common sense.

There is a word in the dictionary: responsibility. Look it up.

 

Wonderful! This will give us a chance to compare outcomes. Any takers on bets as to whether this well bleeds unabated for three months like the Deepwater Horizon? Any takers on bets as to whether this well bleeds at all?

Its amazing how much better a well installation can be when you have humans operating in a couple hundred feet of water rather than robots operating at more than a mile deep. Again, common sense, something not applied when the EPA started pushing more and more of the rigs into deep water.

Did I ever say that was my stance? My stance is to apply common sense to regulations, not let the left wing lunatics run roughshod over the American economy. Lets not forget that environmental left wing lunatics are responsible for more terrorist attacks on American soil since 9-11 than any other group of people. That is saying something.

Thanks, I will. She is an impressive woman who, by all accounts, did well by the State she was elected to govern. Wouldn't be my choice for the oval office, but that doesn't mean she is not decent human being with more common sense and intelligence than our sitting president, despite the nonsense people feel OK in saying about her. Amazing how the left isn't shy about using misogyny and racism as a matter of practice.

Obama's comments are identical to those of Fidel Castro on the evils of America. Whats your point?

BTW, did you catch Hostess being put out of business by the Unions today? 18,000 people now out of work because some small group of union workers couldn't settle at a number that was fiscally achievable. They should grant the first few of them that put a pistol in their mouths Darwin awards.


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[video=youtube;S18gsZ37QXY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S18gsZ37QXY[/video]

 

So do the clever Americans know of a way of moving oil to shallow water locations? That'd be really handy. We have to drill where the oil is.

 

Come on O-nation, besides being a Palin parrot you are now defending and commending her. Truly, the GOP recognized her as a non-player, in fact as a dangerous person as a candidate, so much so, she was not invited to the nominating convention. That says it all.

Meanwhile, get your facts correct. Reportedly the rig that just exploded and killed two people was in 56 feet of water. It was not a producer well. That means that it most probably won't leak for 3 months. But seriously now you are going to measure everything against the worst spill of an existing well. How extremist and absurd.

Boblord is correct. you drill where you think you can hit oil. The Norwegians have prospered by mastering deep drilling. The current huge find off of Brazil is deep drilling. It too has had leaks. But then leaks, explosions, death, etc can occur anywhere.

Maybe you should read up on the BP Texas City Refinery explosion: It occurred in 2005, killed 15-20 and injured about 170.

It was ON LAND. near Galveston.

Somehow, following the Sarah Palin line of thinking is taking you way off the ledge of even approaching reasonable thinking.

There is nothing "reasonable" about using unsubstantiated adjectives without facts to endlessly attack various so called "liberal" elements of the government such as EPA and turn them into objects of derision and hatred.

It simply takes an always balanced approach, always to fine tune what is in place...sometimes tightening regulations, sometimes loosening them.

By the way, adjusting business activities is what is done in the market place all the time. Its a fact of business. It also does take place in government.

As to Palin. Keep defending her. The attacks on her have ZERO to do with any of your descriptive comments. There is nothing misogynistic, racist, or an attack on feminism, with regard to Palin. She is a flat out extreme whacko. She was simply not invited to the GOP presidential nominating convention. She was the previous GOP nominee for VP. That says it all. She is simply persona non grata for anyone with a brain.

I sure saw it. All the pieces of Hostess will be sold off. Some new buyer will keep producing twinkies and their other products. Bakers will go back to work. There is an ebb and flow of business. Things will move on.

There you go, demonizing again. Somebody or some business is going to buy Hostess's pieces and bakers will go back to work. The sellers have already acknowledged that much. The strike is not the devils work as you would portray it.


O-nation: You obviously need my classes. For you and you only I'll run a black friday special. Wire me $400 bucks on Friday after Thanksgiving and I'll help you with all the education and classes you missed when you were playing hooky or sleeping through lessons on common sense and facts.

 

No reason not to. She's better educated than 90% of Democrats, and that is saying something. She managed to get elected as Governor of state in the USA, something 99.9% of her critics will never come close to accomplishing.

Who cares? Dubya wasn't there either. Unlike liberals, we don't eat our own.

Nice straw man. I compared this recent rig explosion with that of the Deepwater Horizon. I compared the difficulty in capping a well head in shallow water with that of capping a well head in deep water. These are reasonable comparisons.

Bob couldn't find his ass in the dark with both hands. You drill where the government issues you a drilling permit.

What has that got to do with environmental impact? People die from industrial accidents all the time, in all kinds of industries. The conversation was about the EPA, and the left wing lunacy masked in the guise of protecting the environment, remember?

What a load of crap. Like every living organism, the EPA has a desire to grow and thrive. To do that, it needs to expand it's mandate and it's enforcement. Like every government agency, it can be used as a political weapon to punish people who don't tow the line.

My next door neighbor is an engineer who deals exclusively in EPA compliance for water management. His job is helping companies comply with EPA regulations. You'd think he would be the biggest green nut on the face of the planet, yet every day he tells me what a scam the organization is.

For example, a friend owned one of the smaller California ski resorts. After a complaint by one of the competitors, the EPA moved in and fined him for too much dust particulates in the water emanating from his hill. This is naturally occurring dust that had been there, blowing up the hillside long before there was ever a ski resort there. Had he not had friends in the "business", the costs associated with hiring an engineering firm to deal with this nonsense would have been prohibitive.

Another example is Clark Foam, previously the worlds largest manufacturer of surfboard blanks. This landmark company that revolutionized how surf boards were made in the 70s and 80s was put out of business by the EPA around 2000. Everyone was fired. Now the surf board blanks are made overseas by the EXACT SAME PROCESS, and somebody else has those jobs. Its complete BS.

You are quite right. My descriptive comments are factual and accurate, and the attacks on her have nothing to do with reality.

Did you watch the video?

Wait, perhaps you were IN the video.

By your definition, I must be lacking a brain. Please, don't tell my clients!

Seriously, the only people who believe BS quotes like that live inside an echo chamber. Its always funny when they try them out in public and get them thrown back in their faces.

Lets start out by pointing out the rank hypocrisy of letting Hostess go bankrupt while arguing the bailout of GM was crucial to save those all important union jobs. According to your quote above, had GM filed chapter 7, all the pieces and parts would have resulted in the recreation of the same jobs for zero net loss. I like your logic, except for the few details you left out.

First, Hostess was not put out of business by the market. It was put out of business by an inflexible and selfish labor force.

Second, when the parts of Hostess are sold off, they will be much smaller individual companies. This is actually a GREAT thing for innovation and cost to the consumer, but a horrible thing for all those Union workers who lost their jobs. Why? Because small companies don't hire union. No need. Big Labor and Big Companies go hand in hand, monolithic,lethargic, monopolistic, and bad for consumers.

So yes, I am alright with Hostess breaking up because capitalism will reform it's parts. Bigger, better, more efficient. I'm just appalled at the cause of the break up, but honestly, f#$k those people. They deserve what they got, which is nothing.

You may not be aware of this, but you are already attending my classes. Frankly, they are a lot cheaper and a lot more informative than yours. I provide them free of charge as a public service.

 

Wow, and your oil companies are so dumb that if a permit is issued where there is no likelihood of oil they will still drill? Or do they do their research and indicate to relevant authorities that THIS IS WHERE THE OIL IS LIKELY TO BE, get a permit and then drill.

Quite frankly your ideas are so extreme and insane you keep a number of people amused only. No likelihood of learning anything from you. Hope you have no input into your children's upbringing.

Bit despairing of your lack of compassion for the poorer people of America who have lost their jobs. They had already lost their pensions because of this badly run company and their basic entitlements were under threat - bloody selfish people in your mind. Fighting for their rights in my mind.

 

LoL. Basic entitlements were under threat, so they didn't show up to work, and expected the company to not only stay in business but provide them their "basic entitlements". Too bad that isn't the way it worked out.

Bob, I can see it isn't setting in with you, so let me repeat it.

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They caused their own joblessness, and the joblessness of many others
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Like I said, worthy of a Darwin award for their stupidity, except none of them are desperate enough to kill themselves.... yet. Darwin Awards were made specifically for people that stupid. Its just a matter of time before one of them dies off and qualifies.

I'm sure it still isn't sinking in, so consider me turning on the lights a freebee this time.

 

I'm sorry, but as long as a company complies with state and federal regulations concerning wages, hours, and working conditions, a private company owes nothing to its employees. An employee in America has the freedom to quit and go somewhere else if they dont like the wages or pensions. If you have not been responsible enough to get proper skills and experience to get another job, well tough luck bud. You want to talk about selfish? How about the union leaders, sitting fat on cash, spewing propaganda to its members, making sure they don't hear the whole story. Unions are so corrupt these days, no wonder why membership has gone down. What did the union win here in this fight? I bet if you pulled each member aside and asked whether they would rather accept the deal or get fired, they would all choose work.

 

After losing the pensions, 97% of the members voted to continue their fight against loss of further entitlements - damned greedy and selfish people. Probably had no mortgages or children anyway.

Ah well, everyone should be happy. The company has gone and it's employees are on the dole. Who wouldn't be jumping for joy?

Incredibly well managed company with 7 CEOs in 10 years I guess, all improving the company, endlessly and tirelessly increasing profits.

Bloody workers did this to themselves and deserve nothing.

 

We don't have a dole. We have unemployment insurance which normally pays a fraction of your previous wage for a period of 6 months, so long as you are actively looking for work. The pensions are gone anyway. The only difference is, those who wanted a job and agreed to the new compensation package lost their jobs as well because a few people wanted a defined benefit there simply wasn't enough money for.

Yep. they failed. They failed to negotiate with a union for wages that left a profit margin. I'm pretty sure they told the unions that if they didn't accept less they would get nothing, but they must not have told the story convincingly. I wonder if they believe them now?

My god, Bob! You put something factual to print! We should note the date!