US predicted to become #1 Producer of Oil. (and that aint some poltical claim)

Again, spewing the "extremist" crap and demands serious responses from people.. lol!

Earl, you DO NOT sound like someone who isn't "hate filled" or an extremist. But keep trying.

What about Pat Stryker?

 

I did say 'most nations concerned with climate change', not just 'most nations'.

Whilst I agree our [dear] leaders are selling all our dirty coal to China which imho counteracts us not using it, as far as I am aware China has made more steps towards cutting emissions than any other country.

source

 

What a load of crap. Why not clip in China's description of what "carbon intensity" is, from your article?

In other words, they are already the dirtiest nation on the planet, and they expect their GDP to triple by 2020, but if they hit their objective, the filth they produce will only double in the same period of time.

In the meantime, Obama is telling the world that by 2020, we will produce 17% less real pollution than we produced in 2005. Were you aware you were comparing apples and oranges, or were you just trying to feel better about an "Asian Century" propped up by violating the Kyoto treaty while countries like the US play by the rules?

Here is a better description of what is going on:

Meanwhile, we are sitting on enough natural gas to power the US for 200 years, accessible via fracking which Obama's EPA is attacking. Natural gas may be fossil, but it produces a fraction of the CO2 that coal does.

By the way, thanks for highlighting one of the myriad of reasons why China's growth spurt has a LOT of bumps in the roads ahead of it. Just wait until the people start demanding freedom of speech and diversity in their representation of government. It will be surprising if they can survive without a revolution.

 

Then you go on to provide it.

Fracking seems to be worse than drilling for oil and they're polluting the groundwater systems with chemicals they have no idea about. Ask any farmer reliant on that groundwater if they support it. Your daughter will love the pungent smell and taste of the water you want to leave for her. That's okay eh, as long as you get more money in your pocket today. Who cares about your prospective grandkids anyway?

Wikipedia says:
Country CO2 emissions[9] Area (in km2) Population Emission / Person
China-- 8,240,958 ---------- 9,640,821 ---------- 1,339,724,852 ---------- 6.2
US----- 5,492,170 ---------- 9,826,675 ---------- 312,793,000 ---------- 17.6
AUS --- 365 513 ---------- 7,617,930 ---------- 22,794,166 ---------- 16.0

Seems China has a long way to go to catch up with us polluters. Seeing they're 4x America in population and 50 times Australia and they're doing something about it I would suggest it is you talking crap here.

 

[video=youtube;l1mE32NU5jU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mE32NU5jU[/video]

 

What kind of math do you use where 8 million is less than 5 million? Those were the 2010 numbers. You try to spin that as they are really working on it and doing a better job than everyone. They are getting worse and worse while most of the rest of the world is getting better.

These are the 2008 numbers. So the US is holding steady and China is massively increasing pollution. How can you say China is "doing a better job than everyone" with a straight face?

 

The math that includes 1.3 billion Chinese people against 325 million American/Australians - we use 3 times more 'per capita'.

1.3 billion people produce 8.2 million tons compared with 325 million people using 5.4 million tons. We are putting out much more than them.

 

More like here's what's really happening...

Methane leaking from coal seam gas field, testing shows source

 

Yeah Wake Up!!!

"Chinese government says it hopes to generate 30% of energy from renewable sources and nuclear by 2015. The government said it hoped to generate 30% of China's power from solar, wind and other renewable sources as well as from nuclear energy by the end of 2015, up from an earlier target of 15% from renewables plus 5% from nuclear by 2020. The communist government is aggressively promoting wind, solar, hydro and other alternative energy sources to reduce pollution from coal plants and curb surging reliance on imported oil, which it sees as a national security risk."

"The Chinese middle class, although over 300 million strong, is only about 25 percent of China’s entire population." And growing endlessly, 300 million already and with China's economy forecast to overtake America's within 4 years, how big will it be then. There are more millionaires in China than the US and with the economy still growing at 7.5% each year. They are just laughing at you and the old white farts of the Republican Party who won't leave the 1950s. Oh and plus they own the US and half the other countries in the world.

 

So first you quote bullshit statistics about China's "Carbon Intensity", and now you try and quote BS statistics about pollution per capita. I would direct you back to my earlier post that talks about energy consumption per person having a vehicle and electricity in their home. When you consider nearly 100% of China's electricity is produced from coal, while only 50% of the electricity in the US is, it becomes obvious that even on a per capita scale of carbon produced per electricity consumer, the US is way cleaner.

Go back and read Browntown's quote. China now produces more greenhouse gasses than the entire rest of the planet. You spin that anyway you want, it remains a bad thing. China's gas production is increasing exponentially year over year, while gas production in the US has been declining year over year since the middle of the Bush presidency.

Regarding your second post on gas leaks from coal fields, what is your point? That China is also producing greenhouse gases from their mining operations that aren't figured into their already bigger number? Yes. I know. What does that have to do with fracking, and Obama's anti energy policies?


@Bob: Go back to sleep. I cant waste time teaching basic math and logic and reasoning skills to a guy your age. These are skills you either acquire as youth.

 

Are you playing me or what? I'm positive you are not that stupid.

I quoted my sources, no BS involved.

We polluters (in the west) pollute 3 to 1. No BS involved.

Fracking, you whinge about President Obama's whinging about fracking. I point to a report from a reputable paper pointing to the dangers of fracking and may I add that NO research has been done as to the harmful effects of fracking...

You're just arguing for the sake of having another dig at Obama, not even caring about the mess fracking will cause to your country. Who cares right?

 

Not sure what to say to you Bush. Apparently you don't know how to read your own statistics. Do you really think 8.25 trillion metric tons of CO2 produced by China is smaller than the 5.5 trillion produced by the US? Do you really think dividing that number by the number of people in their country makes that number somehow better? Do you really think that changes the fact China is building new coal fire plants every day, or that China's number is shooting up while the US's number is dropping?

As a self proclaimed "nutter", I tend to give you a little more time hand walking you through things, but if you can't admit 8 is greater than 5, I wont waste my time.

 

Meanwhile in China :

[video=youtube;NjqpzUU7ClA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjqpzUU7ClA[/video]

 

Can you just remind us who you predicted to win the US election, go through your tooth fairy economic theories, show us all your far right looney conspiracy theories etc etc etc.

Zero credibility left even about your knowledge of your own nation and now you pretend to be an expert on other nations - again. Just simply a head in the sand, know it all blowhard who ignores facts.

No wonder America is slipping downhill fast, the Republican Party and its thoughts that you and Foxnews mirror are intent on being kept locked in the glory days of 50 years ago. No wonder your family rejected you.

 

This from another guy who thinks 5 > 8. We are talking preschool level math skills here.

 

The planet certainly does not take into account "per capita" it just feels the impact of the pollution and China is the world's biggest polluter.

(If you wanted to go down the path of looking at how that pollution is used. You could argue that they use it for a larger population, you could also argue that our use is better for the planet as a whole. Either way, it is pointless. The simple, indisputable, fact is that China pollutes more than any other nation.)

 

The opening post was simply about news that highlighted that various experts suggest the US could be the world's #1 oil producer in the not too distant future. That would simply have been unthinkable a few years ago. Its an extraordinary change.

The thread has gone off in all sorts of tangents: political attacks on obama, commentary about regulations, commentary about pollution etc.

As long as you want to talk about all those other topics chew on this: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...l-settlement-congress-20121115,0,655079.story

BP was just hit for a record penalty for the oil spill in the Gulf Coast in 2010 that killed 11 people on the rig, spilled record amts of oil into the gulf for close to 3 months, and caused significant damage. Penalties are in excess of $5 billion and there is still room for additional penalties and judgements.

Among the many who commented on this decision are the following two Southern Republican members of Congress, both from states that were adversely affected by the BP oil spill.

Both those guys want still more money from BP. As it turns out, much of the monies being collected from BP are going back into the states along the Gulf of Mexico that were adversely affected by the spill.

I guess govt money being handed out and spent is good when it goes to your state!!

In any case, while oil production marches forward, while US oil and gas production is way up and growing, while oil demand increases around the world, there are still ecological impacts that need to be covered, controlled, and watched. Without them there would be infinitely more spills and crises and more problems. More would die. More would be sickened and poisoned.

Even as oil and gas production needs to be expanded it also needs to be regulated if and when crises occur and or pollution is overwhelming. Its a balance. The poorest most miserable parts of the world have protections in place to try and prevent spills, explosions, and wanton pollution. Similarly the US should have those protections in place also.

 

Again, the problem was corruption. From what I recall, BP had bypassed the regulatory process in getting the Horizon open, which was determined to be at the root cause of it's multiple safety failures. I don't think there is anyone from either side of the aisle that is against enforcement of the law.

BTW, if the EPA wasn't such a pack of idiotic nazis, the drilling operations would be closer to shore, dramatically lowering the risk of this type of disaster.

 

LOL, Ha Ha ha. You have just become the Sarah Palin of DP, blaming the EPA for oil spills. She, of course, is one of several of the entirely acknowledged idiot strain of the Far Right Extreme. The former candidate for VP wasn't even invited to the GOP presidential convention in that she is such an idiot and pariah. O-Nation: You have just parroted her by blaming the EPA for the Gulf Oil Spill.

Have you ever heard of "taking responsibility for your actions" Its something all adults should follow. Its taught to little itty bitty kids at the earliest ages. Congratulations you have hit an all time low with commentary only a brain damaged Alaskan moose would accept.

 

Earl, I want to thank you for demonstrating how liberals let demonization, character slurs, and demagoguery get in the way of common sense, thinking, and logic.

Your argument is essentially, "You just said something Sarah Palin said. Therefore, you are an idiot. After all, EVERYONE knows she is an idiot!". Setting aside for a moment flaws in your logic an 8 year old could identitify, lets look at the claim in my statement:

drilling operations closer to shore would dramatically lower the risk of this type of disaster.

Perhaps you were asleep during the Deepwater Horizon gulf oil spill, but the news stations went on for hours about the difficulty in addressing the leak, SPECIFICALLY because of it's deepwater location. Common sense would dictate that drilling on the continental shelf would have facilitated a much quicker and easier fix to the problem.

Do you really want to debate this? Considering you jumped immediately to the Sarah Palin meme, I'm guessing the answer to that question is no.

On the topic of Sarah Palin, I suspect she has a higher IQ than Obama. Furthermore, I suspect Obama's college transcripts would bear out he scored worse than George W. Bush. Looking at how he governs, I think it is safe to say our president is a dunce.