I see no questions, just stupid accusation by bunch of bigots but just to make you happy, I will show you how easy is to refute this nonsense. Just an opinion. The same as I think that you and your gang are just a bunch of red neck ignorant bigots representing the worst kind of people in trailer parks of USA. It is not my fault that real world events in the world and your own ignorance has pushed you back into political corner, if you want to know why you are there, look at your own ideology. I know no such thing and anyone can understand that it is impossible for you to know what I think, so your so called question is just baseless opinion. Guilty or innocence is the matter for the courts. Everything else is just an opinion about different actions. While I do not accept devil in biblical terms, I certainly think that there are many ignorant fanatic bigots that are capable of violence and killings if they had the possibility. Many of the leaders in Iran, The terrorists that bomb civilians be it IRA or Al queda or you and your friends are part of that group. Another baseless opinion, I do not post simply to convince you since most likely will not happen since in my personal experience most hateful bigots are using the hatred as an outlet for their personal problems. I post to represent the people who try to solve the problems through intelligent discussions and understanding. Another baseless opinion. If my rebuttals were lame, it wouldn't upset you so much. You are angry and upset because I show how empty and stupid bigot's arguments are.
Firstly, I don't really appreciate being called a "red neck bigot" - and it just goes to prove your maturity in handling these posts. In fact, I pondered whether I should reply or not because you are responding to "red neck bigot" - of which is not my username, nor what describes me. So why should I care? *Sighs* I'm too stubborn to NOT reply... so here I go... Care to supply evidence? Until you prove YOUR point, as I have already presented evidence for mine, I am right, and you are wrong. Simple. Please prove that I am a "red neck" and "ignorant" and, not to mention that a "bigot" is a matter of opinion, AND please prove that I live in a trailer park. None of which I do or am, therefore you are assuming and lying.... which fits my case perfectly. How much do you want to bet you will not try to prove I live in a trailer park? You can't, so you won't, and thus your rebuttal is void. I'm not in a political corner. In fact, I'm often on the offensive. My ideology is based on true, untwisted and untainted fact and simple logic. I look at the whole picture, not just the picture that satisfies my bias. See, for example, I even admit that Bush has made errors. Unlike you, who insists that Bush does no good whatsoever, and if you DID think it was "good", it would only be sarcastic. Ah, so there IS no center to your mind left... I've based what I've said on many posts more than what you have. In fact, I'm the only one trying to base mine. I just see you flaunting about saying "baseless opinion, baseless opinion!" when I'm here showing you its base, and I may bet you would refuse THAT, too. And we don't need to know what you DO think, but we can find out what you DON'T think (as it's rather obvious) and go from there. Or, you could just come clean and tell us what you REALLY believe, unless you are, of course, caught lying in the end... And the courts have spoken. E.g: Saddam has been hanged. There. As for your second sentence, I agree with it. However, there is no opinion when it comes to what is good, and what is evil, and what is right/wrong. I made a thread about this a while ago - got about 1 reply, but seems to be in high esteem. I suggest you take a look at it. And here we go again... saying that we (the United States) bomb civilians. While unfortunately technically true, the critical difference here is that civilians is not our target. It is through this type of simple logic that separates the ignorant from "us". You were quoting me on the fact that your posts are empty. Can you show me something in that reply that ISN'T? I realize you aren't trying to CONVINCE us, but it's that you don't even GET what we tell you that bugs me, mostly. And where am/are I/we showing hatred? If anything, it's all the libs that "hate bush" and "want Bush to die!" and "want the terrorists to get Bush outa there" that portray hate, not us who portray sense and clear thinking. Where am I angry and upset? And who is this "bigot" you keep mentioning? And why keep saying "baseless"? Compare my posts to yours, and you'll see baseless.
Now that we got the name calling and accusations out of the way, is there any thing about current events in the real world or any question about Iraq that you like to discuss? For example: why US Army has not succeeded to get control of the situation after so many years and it is actually getting worse everyday? Can the Iraq war be won by fire power or is there a need for political solution? What is the best solution at present time, continuing the path that has failed so far or trying a new way?
National transitions from totalitarianism, extremist regimes to democracy never go peacefully. The lives this war will save in the end is worth fighting for. Besides, you have a better idea? What "Iraq war"? We're fighting terrorists, and they will not surrender to political negotiations. Failed? No. This is not over. Failure is not finishing what we set out to do. And so far, we have not not finished. We WILL finish. That is, under Bush's presidency. I cannot say the same if a democrat comes into power...
Meaningless propaganda is not a discussion. Do you really think that you can fool anybody but claiming USA is interested in democracy when the whole history of USA after WWII in different part of the world has been in support of corrupt dictatorships? The question is why USA has failed to secure the area as it is obvious by daily events. There is a loss of about 100 lives a day, how do you know how many lives will be saved in the end? It is very easy for you to talk about the end while other people are doing the dying. When people shoot at each other and kill each other then it is a war, it doesn't matter what you call the enemy. How do you know that they will not surrender to political process, there is more than one way to win a war or do you think that the only way is to just go in and blast everybody including the children since one day they will grow up and will fight? Would you like better if I say it has failed so far or are you going to call it a victory when even Bush and US government are admitting to the failures?
Um, that's not propaganda. Why do you always think pro-American people are out to brainwash you? We just want to show you the facts. I mean, really - terrorists killed 3,000 people in one day 5 years ago, and it took 5 years of war to lose that many in combat. Now, which would you rather have? In this thread one of the main things that arose contention is the fact that you contradict yourself about the differences of the contemporary war and the world wars. Now, please, don't sway again and decide to make a distinction to help "prove" your idea. Obviously your history is wrong. Vietnam/Korean wars, all AGAINST communists, for example. What evidence do you have to support your claims? Iraq's a big place... bigger than Germany, if I recall. (Too busy to look it up now.) And without uniformed enemies, securing it makes it difficult. YOU should even be able to figure that out. I could just say "look who's talkin" and demand you enlist in the US Armed Services because of your statement. I plan to enlist, if my country needs me. I will not require them to have to force me into it, like other cowards who think our enemy are the good guys And for you to roll eyes at comments like that infuriates me. When you begin using the lives of those who have died defending our freedom in a sarcastic manner, you hurt what, in my heart, and the hearts of many others, lies the soul of our patriotic values, and what this country really does mean - regardless of what the libs like you say - and what it represents. Oh really? So should we make no distinction between civilians and terrorists? Oh wait, according to you, we aren't. Terrorists have already told us they will not surrender in the name of Allah - ever. Either convert to Islam or die is their terms. And this is not satisfactory. We will not negotiate with a group that has no intent on peace. According to military protocol, soldiers only engage on sure enemies: anybody that has a weapon and poses a legitimate threat to the security of our cause. We do not aim at children otherwise. I claim the war's overall goal neither a solution nor defeat right now. But so far, I must say we are winning. Terrorist threats have been minimized in our homelands, and we're keeping them on the run with guerrilla warfare. Terrorist leaders have tried to send messages - which we've intercepted - that admit that they are becoming disorganized and losing. Bin Laden is now in a cave likely somewhere instead of a palace. Air travel is now safer than it ever has been, and now all we must do is stay the course.
Ferret's still out recruiting. Why doesn't he just sign up. They still have that don't ask don't tell policy, don't they?
Do you mean they have taken away your last excuse? Don't you think after all those "pay checks" you have got from government, you should give something back and join?
G - gworld - don't you think that line is a little lame for someone who probably sends out more paychecks than most here? I doubt Mia has received any checks in his adult life from the gov't but I will let him answer that. Trailer trash type talk is just lame when you are pointing at people who are against the welfare system as it stands - abused and used by politicians.
Thank you! I'll ditto GTech: what will you do for your country? I feel I'm doing my civic duty just trying to prove all you anti-Americans wrong in as much as I can that offends the true American spirit. One does not necessarily need to fight to serve. However, if a draft situation arises, I will probably enlist in the air force. I always liked flying. Still awaiting a response to all my points... but you probably have none, or little. If you wish to end that discussion here, that is fine with me. Or, if you wish to continue, whatever. I have no preference.
oh ok so when they make you go you will volunteer for safest position possible, why don't you just join the coast guard? Actually you should sign up for the infantry immediately; they need you to get those islamo-facists
You've been riding the whole issue of giving extra support to things 'you' political support. Why not allow the people that want to operate off of SS and medicare to not pay, and let your peers and you pick-up the rest of the tab? I figure since we're talking about supporting the things we want to support. How about we follow your paradigm, and just fund some of it...and let the rest of the left-leaners support it (I mean afterall it's so 'successful'!?). That's kind-of fair since you complain about the right using your money in war. It isn't like the cost are comparable. I'd rather pay for this war then the debacle facing us...
I was thinking to answer you but then I though what is the point discussing with some one who doesn't even know the basic history. Have you ever heard about countries like: Chile Cuba Iran Paraguay Nicaragua El Salvador .... .... Where either dictators were supported by USA or took power through CIA arranged coups. How about SOA? Just one of their gratuate is responsible for killing about 100,000 people. "The Central Intelligence Agency knowingly hired as paid informers a number of Guatemalan military officers suspected of political assassinations, extrajudicial killings, kidnapping and torture, a Presidential panel reported today. In a sweeping review providing new details about the agency's deep and longstanding ties to the Guatemalan military" NY Times So tell us again, why was Saddam executed?
No, if the country is running out of volunteers, then I will volunteer myself. I will not make them force me to go. So far, I know history better than you.... AND logic. You just like to know any possible "America is bad and supports dictators" conspiracies and theories. Way to live life
lol, yeah SS is only supported by left wingers, right wingers don't ever collect it yeah but think of all that freedom that money buys in Iraqi! I wonder why the costs of providing health care and social security to millions of americans doesn't cost the same as the Iraq war? I'd rather pay for an ice cream sandwich then pay my taxes this year but so what?
They collect it because they paid for it, obviously. In most cases they overpaid for it. If they had the option not to, they wouldn't, and they'd be better-off as well. All reccomended retirement funds require high percentages to be invested in, in order for retirement to be financially feasible in these days. Allowing someone to have extra money to correspond with those funds, would immensly help with long-term retirement. Same could be said about the medical/tax regulations we have. Given congress took their fuckin dumbass foot off the free market we'd have a higher rate of investment and savings. But the bureaucracy continues. Sarcasm? That's the difference between you and I. I find this issue very important, and I actually think it through. See while you'll want us to leave Iraq, you have no general idea of what will happen and you seem to not care. While I want to slowly get rid of these programs (or vastly limit them), I have a general view on how to do that and how it would work....it wouldn't be easy or nice, but it's not vacant like your Iraq policy.