Please cite your statistics, as I believe you are way off base... I'm sure some people think like this, but definitely not the majority... I agree, that's why I believe universal would benefit the country... You honestly believe you would pay more then $233 after a universal health care reform? Where did you get your numbers from? The sides of what Aisle? Caring for another? Been there. living in a family with health care? Been there. Living in a family without health care? Been there. Paying for it out of pocket? Been there. Lived with universal coverage? Been there. Why do naysayers always go straight to the "choosing" aspect... A person on minimum wage barely makes enough money to pay rent, let alone health care... Homeless vets cannot get jobs because they are homeless (ie have a hard time finding a bed and shower), they cannot afford health care, and because of this, statistics say that they will die younger... Is that fair? What kind of family were you born into? Did you have an address? A car? If so, I think it's you that might need to try walking a mile in another's shoes...
Others do, but not enough... I don't really see the argument... Are you fine with some of your tax dollars going to subsidize oil companies? How about all these "pork projects"? I can't stand them... Did you watch CNN yesterday? How about these cities paying over 1/2 a million dollars to clean up bubble gum off of their streets? If we are all paying for these projects now, what's the problem with paying taxes that could save lives? Trust me, I'm all for freedom of speech and freedom of choice; But I also believe we should all do a little to help one another when they need it... Most people aren't morally developed enough to understand that we're responsible for more then just ourselves... Ever faced the Heinz dilemma?
1. What makes you think that this money will be spent on health? Any reason to believe that the same Congress that is spending your SS money on their re-election compaigns won't steal your health money? 2. How can you talk ethics and involuntary redistribution of wealth in the same sentence? Last time I checked, theft is explicitely banned in Bible. Personally I prefer strict liability over insurance, but if I wanted to buy insurance, I would go and earn enough money to buy it, rather than stealing
So, because gov't already wastes billions each year on pork, AC's favorite food, they should waste it on UHC? I wouldn't have a problem with UHC, except that those who get it without cost, abuse it the most. (I grew up poor and lived around poorer people, so I know what I am saying by experience. We didn't have insurance, so we didn't see the doctor for every sniffle.) UHC will be a waste of money just like the welfare system. It takes more OVERPAID gov't employees to run welfare than it would if it was a private organization. On top of that the system is setup to fail the people it is suppose to help. What really ticks me off is how obvious it is to tell who is on food-stamps in our area (which is a lot) by the garbage in their carts! These are the people we will or are already paying for health care also, since they are getting sick from the crap they eat.
Don't you see the fallacy here? Not every person has the ability to "go and earn enough"! Some people work hard to support a family, and don't make enough money to have health care...
I resemble that remark, BUT I could move into a 2-bedroom and then have enough.... I don't think the 5 kids left at home really want to share a room, but that's one of life's choices isn't it. Keeping my kids healthy and safe is a priority, I pray we never have a serious injury in our home. There just isn't any guarantees in life but death and taxes, but I don't like the idea of you wanting those taxes to have a guarantee increase either.
The privileged rarely understand that fact. Oppression is as foreign a concept to them as lack of privilege is.
Then there are those who have low ambition or few skills. The more taxes you introduce the fewer people will be able to have health care. The solution is fewer taxes, restoring free market, and allowing strong economy. Socialism never worked and never will. What you support has been tested before. We had universal health care back in the USSR where I was raised. It didn't work there and it won't work here
Of course there are going to be unskilled workers and lazy bums getting free health care; but they also drive on our roads paid for by taxes, and go to our parks, paid for by taxes... But these people should not be condemned to an earlier death and lower quality of life because of their lack of brainpower or lack of "ambition"...
Why not? Everyone is on his own, if you don't work you don't eat. Isn't it the way things are supposed to work? Anyway, let's say you take money from middle class and send it to the Congress. What makes you think they'll spend it on healthcare? Any examples of a federal program that the Congess hasn't looted to bankrupcy?
I am sorry if I was wrong about you, but I assumed you were one of the privileged. I have to admit, I have a different level for privileged than most, to me this includes anyone whose parents pay for there cars, school, skiing, etc while growing up. I get irritated by the privileged who never had to wear holey shoes, pants 2 inches too short, clothes 1 year too small and glasses taped up, who want to tell me they know what it is like to be poor. (And our family was far from being the poorest in the USA, we still managed to have food and a roof.)
Haha, well, I'm with you on the fact that our system is corrupt; not the mention the horrible quality politicians we have... But still, people that work less, or earn less money shouldn't have all the pretty shiny things that higher income families have, but health care should not be their "punishment"... I'm thinking about the net utility principle... The most good for the most people...
No. No. If your argument is they are getting theirs, why aren't I getting mine - then you are heading down the wrong road here. City projects are city projects. I don't have a problem with cities allocating their budget how they see fit. If cities want to fund city projects; wonderful. I'd a problem if washington wanted to fund every citys' bubble gum projects. See what I'm getting that? That's my favorite argument too. You don't know whats best for you; so I'll decide. That and government sanction muggings. Two of my most favorite things I believe that is overly simplified. Much like the kobyashi maru scenario in star trek (remember that?) - the situation is too unique and too many extraneous variables removed to make it a good problem. I understand what it drives at, though.
My argument is that too much of our money goes to places where it does no good; how about we start allocating some towards a more noble cause... You're arguing on the side of egoism... "I only have to worry about myself"... I don't live by the point of view; I try to think of the best way to do the most good for the most people... I never watched star wars and star trek, I try to focus on the real world...
That's why you are quoting ethical problems that have the exact same situation. I'm just makin' the point that your problem omits extraneous variables as would affect the real life situation. You can call it whatever you want. You are telling me that people are too stupid to figure out what's best for themselves and the world around them; and that since they are too stupid government (made up of similar stupid people) knows best and should take over the decision making and enduce punishment because of this. I vote we follow the constitution. That we shouldn't rob one group of people to give to another group of people. I think its pretty simple, don't you. To the original point; do you realize that the healthcare industry is the most regulated industry in the country. And it has the most out of control prices. Wonder if they go hand in hand. Why don't people ever advocate allowing free enterprise back into the medical field? Works for buying bread, cars, houses, etc. I'd be stunned if it didn't work for the medical industry. It's always "more government" - wonder why.
I don't like calling it "robbing"; let's call it mandatory tithing, haha This debate won't get anywhere as our core beliefs are too different... Voting was created for situations like this... Good talk, now it's time for a microwave dinner...
If you throw your microwave oven out, you probably won't need health insurance to cover that chemotherapy in the first place
I'm not fighting for UHC for me... And jeez, you sound like my girlfriend, she always says that the microwave dinners are going to make me start glowing...
That is not always true. My father was a MD. I have never been hungry and I retired when I was 38 years old and have more than enough for rest of my life but I support health care for every one and I support housing for every one. This is not only a humanitarian way but also is beneficial for the privileged. I meet many people and strangely enough, it is mostly losers that actually pay the minimum tax, are the one who complain about tax and helping others while they are themselves just one step above welfare.