Unfortuantely, innocent Muslims sometimes do get bashed by the media for no fault

This is not the place to bitch about how bad Muslims are. This thread is about hate crimes and those kind of comments are completely unwarranted.

Read your above posts again, this time in context of the thread and tell me what are you trying to prove by telling how Muslims are destroying Australia? I'm not disputing your right to deny them entry into your country but Is this the place for that discussion? Not unless it somehow justifies calling someone "Fucking terrorist" on the streets. Another point you forget is that most of the people you are talking about are citizens by birth or other means and have the right to push for Sharia law democratically and don't need to be "eliminated" (killed?) obviously such an unpopular and barbaric thing will not become the law but that doesn't deny them the technical right to ask for it.

On a side not, I'd love it if you could provide me statistics of religiously motivated crimes by Muslims in Australia (not urban crimes, I mean Jihad crimes)

 

Helvetti, I'm starting to worry about you. You chose to include quote above while completely ignoring this statement:

Do you not feel the "idiot" reference to the camera man, and the cheering of the termination of his employment was not a condemnation? Regarding the quote you did include, are you disputing the obvious truth of it?

Did you really just try and make a moral equivalence between a camera man making a bigoted statement and a person killing innocent civilians? Really? As a Muslim, I can approve of neither action. Given the choice, I'd much rather have someone hurl insults at me than fly me and my family into the side of a building. If you were given the same choice, would you flip a coin to decide?

Did you see any violent discrimination? Perhaps you can refer me to the minute and second of the video where we saw violence being perpetrated on anyone?

Did you even read my post? Did I mention even once the names of their children or what they eat or wear? No. Did I mention the attempted modification of the legal system in the country they decided to immigrate to? Yes, I did, and it is most definitely my business. Perhaps you can refer to the necessity of immigrants to comply with the law of the land they decided to immigrate to as forcing culture down their throats, but they can always go back to where they came from. The US welcomes 1.7 million new people to its shores every year. For every one accepted, another 50 are rejected. I can say from personal experience, we have better Mexican food in Southern California than they do in Mexico. Nobody is complaining about the food.

If by not representative you meant my views are not accurately reflected in your response, I agree. If by not representative you meant not representative of the opinions of your average member of western culture, I'd ask you to present your evidence. You are wrong.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool...

 

I wasn't discussing "jihad crimes" - I was discussing "urban crimes", as you put it - so no, I can't provide you stats about "jihad crimes" which were not part of the discussion to begin with.

My original post made it clear that I disapproved, but also that I had an idea where it was coming from giving recent conflicts here. If I were justifying it, I would not have called the cameraman a douchebag, which I did.

I did get onto how they're messing up the country, but only in response to your previous post - the first one was not about crimes or ruining what used to be nice areas - only speculation about why I think this type of thing is happening here right now.

Also, no - Australian Muslims are not a real problem here - they're alright generally. Not all of them, but enough.

The majority of the people I'm talking about (again, that's largely the Sudanese and Lebanese immigrants) are NOT citizens by birth.

Of 340,000 Muslims in Australia (this was in 2007) over half of them were immigrants from Sudan and Lebanon - some were from other places - many were the children of immigrants who had been born here - so NO, the majority of them were not born Australians.

Again, I don't care where they come from or what god/s they worship, provided they don't do anything to drag this country down.

 

Really ? Or was this sarcastic ? Your sig shows that you; "love the State of Israel".

 

Most true Muslims love the state of Israel. They are just not very vocal about expressing it because of a few bad racist apples. Just because I am Muslim does not mean I can turn a blind eye to the activities of Hamas. They kill a lot more of my brothers on an annual basis than Israel does.

 

What is your opinion of the married women burning themselves with gas in Afghanistan ? LINK

 

Tells me they must really pay actors well in Afghanistan.

 

When you speak as a Muslim you are usually sarcastic, so one can never be sure. When we look at your 2nd post it appears you trying to portray what happened in the video as a normal and justified thing. Read it again.

No I was just trying show the similarity between your qoute and qoutes used people like MENJ and Vebtools. They justify terrorist attacks by pointing out civilian casualties in Iraq, you try and justify violent discrimination by pointing out Muslim terrorist attacks. Do you deny the obvious co-relation?

Verbal abuse is considered violent by most definitions. Though there have also been cases of physical violent abuse against minorities too.

When you say "culture", it includes everything. "You should not apologize for asking them to adopt your culture". I trust you know what culture means in common parlance.

No. You were the one who used the phrase "America's new found multiculturalism". Don't make me go search for all the statements made by political leaders of almost every western country where they claim to be proudly multiculturalist.

Vebtools and MENJ think of you (and me) as a fool. Whats your point?

Urban crimes are done by people from all communities (even whites). Its not a Muslim monopoly that can be put on their head. All I hope for is OPEN condemnation of such crimes against all minorities (or anyone) and not somewhere in between words by using phrases like "douche" and "idiot" followed by how fucked up the minority is. Keep that discussion to relevant threads.

If a white Hippie is killed in India and I come up with a reply like "I'm not surprised - they keep ruining our cities, do drugs and misbehave with people, smell like scum, don't bath, fuck in parks so its no wonder an idiot killed one of them" how would you and Obamanation take it? [and I didn't make it up, all of it is true]

 

Parlance... like that word.

 

If you read her posts... the point Alex made multiple times would suggest disapproval if white hippies considered those acts to be a cultural norm and gathered en masse demanding they be legalized in the country to which they'd been welcomed after escaping another where those were practiced. Read posts as a whole instead of cherrypicking... ensures more cogent conversation.

 

And my point is when a hippie is killed its not the time to discuss their lack of personal hygiene. And yeah "white hippies considered those acts to be a cultural norm and gather en masse to do it" over here atleast, if you want I could find you some articles.

 

Do I strike you as somebody that'd give a rats ass if you criticize white hippies?

 

Were you talking to me ?

 

No I guess it was me.

 

Dont worry Rob, I am not going to chew you out or anything. I just do not accept people´s rules here if they are not an owner or a moderator. Vamos continuar.

 

Did you lose faith in Obama ?

 

Spot on. I'd also point out that no one was killed - in your example something is killed, in mine someone is harassed - sucks, but still not the same as murder.

That said, if "white hippies" did as discussed above, in Rob's post, not yours - they'd have to actively be trying to force the laws in your country to change so everyone would be more like them - then I would not feel sympathy for them if they died, nor would I blame you if you were happy about it.

 

That's sad and I wouldn't be happy about it...

To each his (her) own.

 

What is the difference in that and illegal aliens, 70% of whom are Mexican, refusing to learn English in the USA ? What is the real agenda ? It certainly is not to make their new home stronger. It is barely degrees of a difference from being called invasion.


Make an example; your neighbor across the street decides to come live with you. You did not give him permission. Not only does he want to come live with you, he wants you to learn his language, and live like him while he is in your house. Just extend this example up a bit to the national level.

 

Ohh man..I should login to DP more often. So many passionate replies in a day. I dont have time to use the quote feature so I'll jut reply to few of you by just adding @ before the usernames.

@Obamanation, great job with trying to bring forth the views of moderate Muslims. Really unique solution!

@Helvetti and AlexisPetrov, good going at each other It was entertaining seeing you at loggerheads even though the discussion was on serious topics

@Robjones, love your signature man!!

@BlueStar ENT,well said in the last point about Mexicans, neighbours and aliens