Do you all believe that security council should have more permanent members, rather than having just 5. keeping in mind the current global scenario and the shift of global power from west to east. the council should have more representatives from this part of the planet. Currently only China holds the membership and the new council should include new Asian members like India and Japan.
Why ? Srsly . Why ? There already are measures in place that allow Japan and India to have a saying in the security council . The problem doesn't exist .
history lesson: if there is no league of nations, then the un is disimissed? old right? well the un should have india in per capita from the numbers standpoint, and japan second based on numbers. it would be something.
Jeez dude, seriously you need to educate yourself, before you even think to participate in an intellectual discussion. Veto is NOT a toy. It is the most important tool to assure that global balance is intact as far as UN security council is concerned. India is the largest democracy and 4th largest economy on earth, with an unquestioned reputation that even US recognizes. Mind it, US has not been an ally of India for the most part of UN (Post WWII) history. No matter how much you hate India, It has a global presence that no nation can ignore today. The same goes for Japan, word's 3rd largest economy and a very peaceful nation in UN history. As UNSC recognizes the importance of these states, it is time for UNSC to include them. If you have any counter argument why these states should not be in UNSC, bring it forth. Don't make shallow statements calling Veto a toy, when you know nothing about it.
India is the 10th largest economy and has almost no impact when it comes to global security , same goes for Japan . You just want the Veto power to get more advantages while doing nothing to contribute to the global growth or stability . Furthermore India's military is behaving like the Natzi military in the '30s building more and more WMDs and delivery platforms . While under economic struggle , massive social problems and with a diminishing population the USA , France and the UK are pushing tons of global aid and stability . Does Japan does that ? No India ? Nope . You don't get a Security Council permanent seat for having a population incapable of using condoms . Even Russia and China are doing more for global stability . You want to be recognized as a global player ? Start Acting like 1 .
Not by PPP.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) India has been elected six times to the UN Security Council, and is one of the countries that has served for the most number of years as an elected member. India makes a number of claims to justify its demand. India has the world's second largest population and is the world's largest liberal democracy. It is also the world's tenth largest economy and fourth largest in terms of purchasing power parity. Currently, India maintains the world's third largest armed force. India is the third largest contributor of troops to United Nations Peacekeeping missions after Bangladesh and Pakistan. India was offered a permanent seat on the council 55 years ago, in 1955. But the offer, made by the United States and the Soviet Union, was declined by India's first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru. Nehru said the seat should be given to China instead." Nehru was the worst leader compared to any nation ever had.. Like invading countries those are not a direct threat to US and allies, not even by a long shot? False claims, back it up with facts.
Japan to Dispense Billions in Foreign Aid Japan, once the world's biggest donor nation, is stepping up efforts to boost its influence in resource-rich developing countries by creating a super agency that will dispense billions of dollars a year in foreign aid, most of it bound for Africa and Asia — regions where China is rapidly increasing its clout as an aid donor and commercial partner. Japan, which has the world's second-largest economy, was the No. 1 provider of overseas aid in the 1990s. After years of sluggish economic growth, the country ranks fifth among donor nations according to the organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. (Aid has fallen by about 40% and is a hit to Japan's diplomatic clout). In an Oct. 3 speech, Sadako Ogata, JICA's president since 2003, chided Japanese society for its lack of support of foreign aid and questioned the country's ability to play a leadership role in areas such as alternative energy development in the world's poor countries. "The reality of an interdependent world is not reflected strongly enough in Japanese thinking," she says.
Global security does not mean policing by some nations. Global security is a concern for the United Nation and not some other nation who proclaim to be global cops..If these nations are giving aid then they are also selling weapons through which they receive 10 times more money than what they give as "aid". I would like to say that US is an ally of India and in times of crunch US will definitely support India.
Which is great if you're looking to see how much food that nation could buy on it's internal market but it's not measure of raw economic power . That would be the GDP . And what measures where proposed by India ? Empty numbers , Germany has more power economically and military and they don't scream and kick for a seat but they do a whole lot more for global security and stability . India is the third largest contributor of troops to United Nations Peacekeeping missions after Bangladesh and Pakistan.[/QUOTE] And that has great efficiency has been seen after the UN forces failed in Somalia , Congo and Yugoslavia . It's nice to see that you compare yourself with Bangladesh . Wise guy , if you want worst leaders look up Hitler and Stalin . OFC because you guys never had terrorist attacks originating from Afghanistan / Pakistan right ? You don't care if the Libyans and Syrians are getting slaughtered . You're joke of a military was to retarded (sorry but that's the fitting word) to even stop the genocides around the Indian subcontinent and you had a handful of those . How can you claim you can provide security when you can't even secure your own border ? Russia always offers diplomatic alternatives , maybe not the best alternatives but they at least care . They don't sit on the corrupted asses doing nothing . China has invested heavily in Africa , for selfish reasons mostly but they did provided assistance where it was needed . You can blabber all you want but I'd never trust the jokes that you have for leaders to handle global security . You only want this veto power to use it for your own selfish benefit . A nation with a growing nuclear arsenal has no place in a council that was created to maintain global peace . End of the line . @popythekillerchickentalk Iraq stopped being a US ally after it decided to shake it's political and military peen and invade Kuwait and build a gigantic biological arsenal . If someone tell you he'll kill your family you won't call that person friend . Sorry but biological weapons have no place on this planet . Try Venus , it's just next door .
1) Japan, Germany, Brazil and India are the member of G4, and all these nations are seeking UNSC permanent membership actively. 2) Stop being an a moron, I don't compare India to Bangladesh. Bangladesh happen to be 2nd largest contributor in terms of troops to UN. Who is opposing G4? Somalia, blame that one on US.. US mission to Somalia was a total disaster.. India didn't have anything to do with it. India just contributed as per UN charter.. Indian mission to UN: Whats your point? As if you do. Joke of a military? What do you even know about military? Majority of people will disagree with you, and won't call Indian military a joke. But of course, you are clueless and prejudice is apparent as usual. Because India has, does and will provide troops to UN. It's one of the biggest contributors. Shame that developed nations like US, Russia, China don't match with the contribution provided by India. You can blabber all you want but sadly for you, all permanent members of UNSC, strongly support India's claim to UNSC seat. India would have been a member already If in 1955, Nehru wasn't masturbating upon the thoughts of Nobel peace prize. And even in modern times, if India wasn't committed to get each nation of G4 into UNSC. With nations like US, UK, Russia France etc, supporting India's claim, it's just a matter of time.. I wonder how will you handle that? must be the saddest day of your life? That being said, I'm done with arguing with you. And seeing how much of ignorant you are, you are going back to ignore bin.
The UN, like the League of Nations before it, is a useless institution. It should be disbanded. And it will in the near future.
Yep you're not the only nation that want a bigger e-peen . At least Germany does something for Global security and Japan does contribute by some economic aid . You and Brazil are just wakers that demand respect because you forgot to include sex education in schools , you're also both excellent forest cutters and both of you started putting up nutty claims in parliament . Lat time when the UN failed there where 2 many stupids in charge . It's already bad enough that soviet China is in there we don't need another selfish country . You've putted India and Bangladesh one by the other , if you don't want to be compared by that standard then don't mention it because by your own argument Pakistan or Bangladesh deserve that seat more then India . By numbering those who oppose the -gfor you get a truckload of major countries . So to satisfy your need for egoistic power the UN would have to piss off half of a lot of powerful nations . How does that serve global security ? Or do you think that dissent = security ? In that case get in line with the rest of the dictator on the planet . Oh i'll blame the US for taking action and not the UN for being incompetent and uncooperative . Have you seen Black Hawk Down ? So after the war ended you guys come up and demand medials ? ROFL . The point is your government , military and whatever secret service you have are to lazy and incompetent to even project their power in the local region . You neighbor Pakistan is a total mess , Afghanistan was training terrorists for Kashmir and you guys where sitting on your asses doing nothing . You're the kids that everyone slaps but you want a position of global power . Is this a joke ? OFC we don't care we just spend billions in military assets to help them because we don't care . We reacted to the UN resolution in less then 48 hours because we don't care and we helped them be free BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE . Do you have any idea how silly you sound Helvetii ? Ya sorry you're not a joke , you're military is a expensive joke . Cruise missiles that fail , planes from russia (can't build your own ?) , ground forces that sucks (Kashmir much ?) and can't even secure their own border and some joke of navy that modernities itself by building ICBM capable subs . If you're military wouldn't have nukes then i could really start comparing them with some countries like Bangladesh . OFC Kudos for being the only 3 demente nation on Earth that build more nuclear weapons . The world is trying to get rid of them and you build more . Hitler would be proud of you . No they do much more then match your contribution they launch missions on their own freeing nations and fighting terrorism . Are you ever gonna start doing that ? The only reason you're pushing for a G4 is so you won't look like you're doing this for a selfish purpose (which you are) . Only you can believe that this isn't a see through veil . The support of France for what ? For opening a restaurant in France ? They already have way better food then you . While you're at it you can also declare your true identity and get back to your ban Helvetii .
Ah, feels so much better! 100 time more intelligent and 1000 times more tolerable than what it would have been if you weren't in my ignore bin.
@The Webby I've been wondering lately how this "ignore list" works.It's so much more effective to see it actually used than to have someone explain it to me.Thanks Webby for the demo.
An increase in the no. of security council members only seems logical - and reformatting the UN in the near future makes sense as well. Give us a clue.....disbanded by who? - or better yet, Why?
When strong dissensions appear th institution is rendered useless . We can already see UN inefficiency with the NATO having to act on it's own as a Global Security Factor .