UN Fact-Finding Mission Says Israelis "Executed" Flotilla Activists

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  1. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #41
    Coz they got more balls than muzzies.
     
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    #42
    That's typical answer from someone who can't give logical one.
    If something doesn't look or make Israelis look good let's make fun out of itso noone wil take it seriously.
     
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    #43
    @Morepalyers : Why is there no dead soldier . Simple , they where better trained and had the advantage of firepower . Also their wounded soldiers where exfiltreted as soon as the battlefield was stabilized . As far as the UN report goes the Israeli military is innocent .

    I to believed that the operation was a slaughter or something . But the situation is completely different . The only questionable thing is the commanders decision to infiltrate the soldier without more suppression fire . But not knowing the tactical details I'd say that the course of action was as humane as possible given the data in cause . As mentioned . The moment the Marmara refused to comply the Israeli had the right to blast it out of the water .
     
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  4. iggysick

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    #44
    3 of their soldeirs were captured and activists took their weapons and that weapons wasn't used in fight so your claim isn't true. Those 3 soldiers could easily be killed but they weren't. Also, their weapons could be used and there would be more soldiers dead or wounded. Read the report once more.

    Wrong again. Report clearly said that Israeli military started to shoot at everyone on board no matter if they participated in fighting or not and that they killed few people that were simply taking photos or shooting with video camera. Of course, Israeli military is innocent in your eyes because as I can see you believe that everyone on board deserved to die.

    Even legality of the action is questionable and that's in report too. Read report again. Altough it doesn't matter simply because Israel is a member of UN but isn't signator of many UN conventions and simply ignore all of them whcih isn't in their favor.
     
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  5. gauharjk

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    #45
    OHCHR.org is the website of the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights

    You are forgetful. Or probably just parroting what fox news is saying... Here are some facts for you.

    1. The Flotilla of Aid ships was attacked in International waters where israel does not have jurisdiction.
    2. israel confiscated all video evidence of what actually happened and only released edited version that proved their story.
    3. There is no evidence Mavi marmara was contacted on radio at all.
    4. There is clear testimony evidence from survivors that israeli helicopters shot at aid workers from the air before any soldiers had boarded the ship.

    I really hope you check out the article by Glenn Greenwald - http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/10/01/flotilla/index.html

    Also see this interview of a survivor in Israeli press.

    On May 31, former U.S. Marine Kenneth O'Keefe was aboard the Mavi Marmara in the Free Gaza flotilla. He witnessed the passengers' preparations for a clash and the confused takeover by Israel troops that resulted in nine dead. --- http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/rough-passage-1.315481

    Cheers!
     
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  6. Helvetii

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    #46
    See how all Juice hating muzzies are pro-UN all of a sudden? Where did the "UN is always right" attitude go when it asked Pakistan to remove its troops from PoK? Or When says Iran is building atomic bombs? Or when it says sexual abuse and rape statistics are doctored by Arab nations? Or when it says most of the worlds honor killing takes place in Pakistan?

    I think according to them stoning a woman brutally for pre-marital consensual sex according to Sharia is much more humane than shooting people who attacked armed soldiers redirecting a ship for inspection. Please Muslims should not talk about human rights.
     
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  7. iggysick

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    #47
    Another typical response from someone who can't give logical answer to question asked: distraction! Let's talk about something else!
    Sorry, that's completly offtopic and saying that muslims should not talk about human rights is completly bigotry in first place.
    Btw I'm not muslim so would you allow me to talk about human rights?

    And please, spare me cliches and try to disscus ontopic if you are able too. Otherwise move on. Thank you.
     
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    #48
    Look at your thread posting history, all of them are anti-Israel, if you aren't a Muzzie then you are antisemitic. But I don't think so I got only one word for you: al-taqiyya
     
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    #49
    Sorry, does posting threads about Israel makes someone anti-semite? Hows that? Can you explain that? I'm curious to hear your explanation. I don't recall posting naything anti-semetic in those threads. If you consider postings things that aren't good in Israel to be anti-semitism than yeah you can consider me a santi-semite.
    So let's hear your explanation.

    Second, why are you so opssesed with muslims? Do you know how many pro-palestinian organisation exists around the world that aren't muslims?
    Why someone needs to be muslim to see Israeli wrongdoings? You approve Israeli occupation? Are all people who oppose that occupation and their war crimes a muslims?
    I'm curious to hear your explanation altough I doubt it will be anything close to logical one.
     
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    #50
    @gauharjk Don't play idiot whit me . You saw the UN report . Would you like to be humiliated having picture of the UN report posted ?

    C'mon if you want to debate a incident don't deny something that can bee seen by everybody . A military force projects authority by claiming a safety area . You brought up the UN report which has exhaustive on the issue . Why are you trying to back up your claim by using different unverified sources . Ar you trying to debate the incident or manipulate my opinion ? In the later case you're gonna fail . I love to debate foreign policy , don't turn this into a propaganda slum .

    @Moreaplayerz : I see the UN report as it is . It's not in my interest to declare anyone innocent or guilty . The fact is that when a entity becomes hostile by it's actions the - in this case by refusing checkup - the military forces have the authority to take actions as they see fit . If you're gonna keep deaning and insulting me you will receive the adequate responses .
     
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  11. Helvetii

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    #51
    Moreplayers your only reason for existence in this section is to make anti-israel threads, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that its because you are antisemite or a Muslims/Arab. I don't any other reason why someone would hate a democratic country defending its right to exist right from the day of independance so much.
     
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    #52
    I am trying to manipulate your opinion and veer you towards what actually happened vs what attacking government propaganda says. I would like to see you quote from the UN report which says Israel was right in murdering 9 human rights activists.

    israelis cut off all radio contact Mavi marmara had with the outside world. After killing and injuring the aid workers, it snatched every photographic equiptment that could prove israel was guilty. It refused to cooperate with UN investigation. All this clearly shows who the real guilty party is.

    Please quote from the UN report passages which vindicate israeli commandos.
     
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    #53
    Really ? Where does it say that ?
     
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    #54
    "Aid workers" or extremist Islamic self-professed terrorists?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTmF3njCZf8

    regarding the "aid" on board the terrorist ship:
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2010/Equipment_aid_Gaza_flotilla_7-Jun-2010.htm
    The aid was indeed too important for the people of Gaza! a matter of life or death! http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177320

    and what we are left with? just a little bit of true Islamic love....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIp8PcZxXYQ

    and Allah knows best ;)
     
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    #55
    So basicly you are not interested in using logic and common sense in disscusing matter about Israel and just stick to "if they did something that must be right", right?
    And how I insulted you? I'm curious.

    Nah, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to get taht conclusion, it takes narrow minded bigot like you are. The funny thing is that you can criticise every single country,nation,race and religion in the world and that's ok in this forum but when you start criticize Israel oh the outrage! For you guys it's impossible that anyone simply doesn't like wrongdoing in Israel. Oh no! A person who says this and this isn't ok must be either muslim or anti-semite! He must hate Israel!

    Sorry but how about US? Pakistan? India? China? Germany? If you criticize those countries does it mean that you hate them? How about being racist for citicize China for example? Does that makes you racist? Nope, but,according to your logic, when you criticize Israel you must be anti-semite!

    You see the likes of you are the main reason why I am here and wanna talk only about Israel. Israel is country like any other country on this planet and anypone can disscus matters about that country on open internet forum and there's no way that Israel get speacial threament! They aren't holly cows. They aren't untouchables.

    Instead of disscuing matters I've posted in my threads you simply proclaimed them anti_israelis and proclaimed me anti-semite and for you problem, solved!
    Sorry but world doesn't works that way. You can put your head into hand but problems with stay.

    They are self-professed terrorists?!? Where they did that?!? Are you idiot or something?!?

    Funny how you avoided to address all things said in this thread and just kept going with your nonsense posts.
    Listen kid, it's time to grow up.
     
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    #56
    Not much of a conversation . The report is exhaustive on the matter .
     
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    #57
    Its okay to criticize any country but when ALL you do is critisize it and that too for pointless things like punishing their own soldiers for using human shields then call everyone who defends it "illogical" its obvious that you have closed your eyes to evidence and are a blind hater.

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1960334
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1959168
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1959110
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1958500
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1839448
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1831702
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1826138


    These are all your thread in P&R.
     
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    #58
    Ummmm actually you are the blind hater who closed your eyes for any single bad thing done by Israel and Israelis and blindly defending them. Actually you can't defend them and simply stuck your head in the sand. I already told you: I wouldn't be here in first place if there isn't the likes of you.
    Now, point me where did I closed my eyes to evidence. You can't just go around and post nonsense without backing it up. Let me see that closing eyes and where did I "all everyone who defends it "illogical"". Pull your head out of sand and quote me on those two things.

    As long as the likes of you exists I will be more than happy to point out everything bad that comes for Israel. Israelis are human beigns just like everyone else and they are capanble to do crimes just like everyone else. Of course, not in your eyes, right? :)

    Now let's see some quotes. I'm still wating on apocalypse's quotes but I know and he knows that there's no such quotes and I doubt that you are capable to provide them too.
     
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    #59
    Dude pass the joint . Who said Israeli are saints or something ? They did good things and stupid things . But you're trying to somehow describe them as inhuman baby eating monsters .

    Just out of curiosity , I assume you're a Palestinian . Am I right ?
     
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    #60
    Use google to search for evidence it's all their I'm going to waste my time explaining it to someone every other day.
     
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