You are done? What are you, a coward or is your statement full of lies and without any substance that you can't back anything up. Judging by the content of your post, you were just getting warmed up. Now why don't you show us where exactly you believe someone here has lied, give us some examples. Everyone else here has put in the effort to do their homework, you just come in here and expect us to take your word on everything. Sorry, man ... that's not how the world works.
I've had quite a few arguments with Muslims offline. One thing that always seems to happen is that they get all worked up, start yelling, screaming, blaming Jews ... and then when you're ready to reply, they are done and run away. Great communicators I must say. Fucking arrogant assholes too. Reading the scriptures explains it to me. They do think we are all stupid, which is a reason for the way they talk to us.
I'll requote since you guys are blind. Keep trying to make arguments out of nothing. I showed you exact proof... you have shown me lies. GG
Sorry, but your words are barely proof. Link me to something that comes from a site that is a credible resource regarding the issues. Both Will and G have done so, you just post. Once again: show us some proof. I'm ready to see the other side for just once. Don't let me down I want to read with my own 2 eyes where exactly the Quaran is being misquoted. I would love to be able to trust Muslims. Life would be a lot less complicated if we could. Anyways .... go ahead. Like they say in the hood: "Represent!"
I quoted directly from the Qur'an... go look it up on google. So seriously shut up. I showed you proof, and you guys blabbed on about your stupid ignorance that you learned from your terrorist friends. When you loose an arguement you should apologize, not try to keep going on and on like a fillibuster. I'm not going to give you a link to a terrorist site like Gtech does.
You're such a liar, execute, you haven't proven a thing. Stop demanding that others take your word. That might work in your society with your leaders, but we are allowed to critically examine the evidence, which you have absolutely none of.
So now you're making fun of the US.... interesting. You're calling me a liar when i directly quoted from the Qur'an... ok, shows your intelligence... Look it up before you start blabbing again. You have given me false information while i quoted directly from the Qur'an and gave you references to the exact sections. You're really blind.
The Qur'an is not a reliable source??? Wow.... just wow... You know its ok man... just admit it... You had bad experiences with some Muslims before, so now you're a racist to Muslims. Atleast let it out...
Stop playing word games and turning things around: A. I haven't made fun of the US. B. I didn't talk about the Qur'an, I was referring to a reliable source of translation. I don't speak Arabic. And I won't take your word on things. So please stop counterattacking, and show us some proof to neutralize what GTech and Will have presented us with. We're all ears! And quit playing the race/guilt card in here. No one here has been racist towards you, you come here and attack. People don't care where you're from, you're being judged as an individual on DP. If you want to represent your belief, then please do so in a fair and intelligent manner. This is a discussion forum. Don't waste any more words telling us what to believe, show us. This reminds me to the Catholic priests in the middle ages who read the bible in Latin telling their non-Latin speaking congregation what it says. This is the 21st century. Wake up, Islam. So please, Mr. Execute. Execute some wisdom upon us and show us a source that you and me can both rely on to provide us with a good translation to at least give some sort of merit to the opinions that you have posted in here. And if you want to go further, tell me what you think about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict
How is one racist towards a religion? Religion and race are two separate entities. Perhaps a revist to Sura 9, verse 29? http://www.ummah.net/what-is-islam/quran/noble/nobe009.htm Can't speak for others (well, I probably could ), but I'm not interested in fighting, paying an infidel tax, nor being subdued, and I'm certainly not interested in respecting a book that calls for my death. However, I can always respect a respectable human being, despite their religious beliefs. Just so long as they don't start smiting me about the neck
ITs from the Qur'an, a correct transalation by western scholars. There is no other transalations. THe terrorists interpret it the way they want because they don't understand the high level of language used in the Qur'an. Get it??? I'm telling you the truth, i don't lie about religion like some of you like to do. If you don't believe me LOOK IT up... Because i told you what every western professor and eastern professor that has studied Islam will tell you. I don't go to a terrorist site like GTech and read the Qur'an from there. I'm not transalating because i don't know Arabic. I am reading from a correct transalation that millions and millions of people believe in. I'll try to find you a quote from somewhere on the internet since you insist, but it's an accepted fact. You're just twisted in your ways because of your 2 terrorist friends. Muslims never blame Jews, (which you claim), unless they are iranian or palestinian maybe. Muslims and Jews have lived alongside each other for hundreds of years. It's just some of these extremists that tell you they hate Jews, and they are dumb. I posted facts, directly quoted, and my opinion too. But what i quoted was accepted fact, that you can look up anywhere and that is what it will tell you. Do not go to an extremists site or an iranian site and tell me its a valid source. GTech, Look up Racist in the dictionary... (http://dictionary.com) racism is hate toward a race or religion or ethnicity. GTech learn to read... It says a tax, nothing about killing nothing about fighting. It's a tax, to encourage Islamic conversion, which use to happen in the old Islamic Empire. Unlike the Spanish who kill whoever doesn't convert, or the Crusades who killed everyone in their path. Please do not act like tax is a bad thing, because it's more humane then killing or like the Spanish Inquisition did: kill people. No one is trying to smite you in the neck. The part about that is during war, you should aim for the neck because of knights heavy armor. So that the people that try to kill you if you do not convert, you can defend yourself. It has nothing to do with killing the innocent. So stop trying to twist the Islamic faith into your perverted terrorist mind. You gave us that quote before, but changed it now, that you found out what a liar you are, and now you are trying to save face for the fact that you lied openly... You are truly an Extremist and racist.
execute: It is amusing that you argue with Westerners. It is apallling that you argue with the leaders of Islam. You are saying "Islam is this; this is what the Quaran says." Unfortunately, what you are saying is the exact opposite of what the imams are announcing and also the exact opposite of what the Quaran appears to say. Perhaps you should leave Islam and found your own religion. You can call it "Happy Fun Religion of Execute." You can call it whatever you like, but one thing you cannot call it is Islam. The belief system you describe has nothing to do with Islam. You are the moral equivalent of Christians who say "This is my Christianity. It doesn't agree with what is in the Bible, but it is what I believe." Well, those people are not (technically) Christians. Similarly, you are not (technically) a Muslim. Admittedly, your happy fun religion is nicer than Islam and I would rather have you as a neighbor as you only seem to believe in annoying people to death. But, unfortunately, you are the only believer in your made up religion and those other people who follow Islam a lot closer than you do are still out there beheading people for disagreeing with them.
Yes, I got it before you ever responded. Remember? I predicted you would go for the "translation" line before you ever did it. How could I not get it. It's like a game of chess, I already knew how you would respond before you did. One can go to any site, as I suggested previously when I listed ONLY the Sura and the verse number. For exactly this reason. I knew you would respond with the "that's not a correct translation" line, even though they are online, on may different sites, including islamic sites, for anyone to see. You see, execute (what a moniker you have there!), the power of knowledge is discovering it yourself. I didn't need to quote the verses, I only needed to list the Sura (chapter) and the verse for others to "discover" on their own. That's power! I was not aware I had two terrorist friends. Can you read palms too? Can you read the web? Again, the enlightenment behind NOT quoting the verses, but instead, listing the Sura and verse number for others to discover, is what is so powerful. In this manner, they can explore and see the truth for themselves, without me having to quote the scripture. It requires them to look it up themselves and find the truth on their own, rather than take a quote of the verse from an islamic site, or as in your case, "trust me, I'm telling the truth, I don't need to post sources." kitman, taqiyya. Attempt at revisionism. Needs better implementation though. Not much effort. I give it 1.5 virgins on a scale of 72. You posted no source. I posted chapters/verses for others to look up and come to their own conclusions. Those that choose to do so will see the truth. Don't need to, Websters tells it like it is: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist
Generally when one quotes, they use these interesting little verticle dashes, located next to the colon/semi colon on most US and international keyboards. They call them "quotation marks". Aside from placing the exact quoted text within the quotation marks, it is common practice to also cite the source. Here is a good place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_sources I know, we are all not perfect at it, and while many do get lax, (man I hated term papers), it is unreasonable to expect someone to believe a claim that is unfounded. You yourself believe that much. Still waiting for that "proof".
Apparently not... It's way too high a level for us common folk But he did not have to go to a terrorist site. He went directly to the Koran. This post just escapes all reason Never, unless... hmm. Directly quoted with no quotation marks, and no sources cited. Nope, sorry, not a direct quote. You get an F on this paper. I did it for him: "2 entries found for racist. rac·ism P Pronunciation Key (rszm) n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race." Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist Don't see anything about religion. Hey, you've just been owned! Yikes.. Slow down. Where are you "quoting" this from? Not a very accurate picture of history. But the world through your eyes is a bit warped. Could labeling one as a terrorist be considered racist? Using your definition and understanding of racist, I am going to assume, yes. Stop being so racist [/quote] It's times like this that I really "wish I could buy the world a Coke."
Looks like execute is now resorting to going back and editing his posts to add complete paragraphs. I didn't note the "crusades" comment in his post when I replied, otherwise I would have gladly responded to it. I do so appreciate discussing the crusades. It's like a subtle movie title, "when real victims turn the tables" or "when enough is enough, even Christians will fight back." History isn't kind.
This is not the case.. Jews are a race, Jews by majority consider themselves to be a race as well. Yet some gentiles choose to "convert" to the jewish religion...