So if someones a Christian they have to tell the whole world about it? I don't appreciate that they mock Jesus either. It's disrespect. But i won't go out rioting, but then again i still won't encourage the simpsons to do that either. Same thing with the denmark cartoons.
Of course they have nothing to laugh about. If they respect Jesus, why not follow his teaching then. The teachings of Islam are very different. Can they serve two masters??? - For me I can't. By the way Jesus was mocked and joked about since he was born. The Bible tells us clearly that only the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgiveable sin. So what about this worldly things? Mohhammed is not the Holy Spirit either.
MORE??? These are paintings on buildings in Iran http://www.hamshahri.org/vijenam/javan/1384/841115/panke3.htm If you are interrested in more. This Iranian site contains a photograph of a mural which appears to depict Mohammed (sixth picture down) on a contemporary building in Iran. The mural shows Buraq (the animal that carried Mohammed on his Night Voyage, described as being white and having the face of a woman and the tail of a peacock, which this creature does) carrying a figure who could therefore only be Mohammed. A word-for-word transliteration of the caption to that picture in Farsi says (according to this automated translation site) "The Messenger mounted mainland shiny door village (yzdlaan) (kvyry) village blinds to ascension wine river," which obviously doesn't translate well but which does make mention of "The Messenger," a traditional epithet for Mohammed (as the messenger of Allah). Note: this image is hosted on the Web site of the Iranian newspaper Hamshahri, which is sponsoring a contest of cartoons about the Holocaust as an outraged reponse to the publication of the Mohammed cartoons in the West. Yet the newspaper itself is currently displaying this depiction of Mohammed. (This image also on the newspaper's site appears to be a contemporary image of Mohammed as well.)
and here! http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2006/02/leftists-will-fall-for-it-anyway.html That it is presented as a taboo to the unwitting is another case of public-affairs rope-a-dope by the proponents of Islamism and by their ungrounded western paesanos. It fits in with the sell-job that no Muslim can be bad, because the faith is good, and other logically unsupportable arguments. Tons of proof against your claim - Judas
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,grossbild-578362-400233,00.html In iran they attacked now the French Embassy Denmark has withdrawn its diplomats from syria, because the syrian govt has withdrawn its security around the Embassy to a unreasonable low level without notice.
Respect or no respect, they have no right to kill and burn. Like I said before, if they would put that stupid book down for more than 10minutes a day, they just MIGHT realize there is more to life than mohommad and suicide. It's pathetic. Go get a fucking life already and join us in the real world. It's friggin 2006 not 1006.
What I see from islamis is only provocation, provocation and provocation in all forms and aspects. Sometime subtle and then out of control. The French will not let it happoen as it is, thats for sure. Fasten your seat belts over there
Can you please read my posts? They don't deserve respect. The ones that burn down buildings are terrorists... It has nothing to do with Mohammed. THey are mad extremists. But maybe if you put your CNN down a bit just like how they should put their book down a bit, you might find out that these extremists aren't being tolerated. If you looked at other news channels for a bit, you would see a terrorist yelling and screaming about killing people, (in front of a mosque), and then a group of muslims come and beat the shit out of the terrorist until he's almost dead. And you are more in 1006, you're surrounded by technology but you refuse to be openminded. Can't you see that these protesters are criminals and terrorists? Sure we should arrest them. But don't call them Muslim because real Muslims would not burn buildings or kill people.
Oh so the danish cartoons aren't a bit of provocation? IT's not nice to kill people, and it's not nice to disrespect a religion because of a few bad apples that you keep seeing on TV.
Hmm, but i never saw any riots performed by Muslims because of any insulting depiction of Jesus If they riot for Mohammed then they also should riot for Jesus if he was depicted in a insulting manor since Jesus is also regarded as a prophet from God. Both are prophets from God in their view right?. Huh where was that post i replied to?
Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Buddhist - most people know very little about any other religion than that of their own. Infact, most people know very little about their own faith. Throughout history many terrible and heinous acts have been committed in the name of one or the other faith or religion, an example of which would be the Spanish conquistadores on their first arrival in South America. Their "conquest" (which included murder, adultery and various other acts which in modern times would be considered criminal) of the various South America tribes was done in the name of the (Christian) Church and the crown. But, like Islam, most religions have a moderate and an extremist side. During the Middle Ages, for example, the Knights Templar would be considered to be "extremist" by some, while most other Christian Crusaders would be considered "moderate". Probably the biggest reasons for animosity amongst people of different religions are ignorance and insensitivity. Strangely, though, people from different religions believe in the existence of the same almighty, supreme and omnipresent entity, although known by different names. Whether they refer to this entity as God, Yahweh, Jehovah, or Allah, and read the Bible, the Torah or the Qur'an, most religions have much in common, even from a purely historical perspective. Islam and Judaism, for an example, have striking similarities. Christians believe there is only one faith – theirs; Muslims believe there is only one faith – theirs; and the Jewish believe there is only one faith – theirs. Whichever faith you consider to be the one true faith is a matter of personal opinion and conviction. I have friends of many religions, including a fair few Muslims pals. Whilst my Christian friends cannot fault or question my faith, my Muslims friends do because it is written in the Qur'an that "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost." The fact that I do believe in the existence of a supreme entity is accepted, but unfortunately I am still considered to be a "kaafir" (a non-believer). While Christians believe that Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of God, Muslims believe that Muhammad was a Prophet and Messenger of Allah. As such, many Muslims believe that Islam prohibits depicting the prophet Muhammad in any way; therefore the Prophet's face is often veiled in religious pictures. Any criticism (even though meant to be satirical) of Muhammad is considered to be blasphemous and even punishable by death in some Muslim countries. It is no wonder therefore, that Muslims are literally up in arms about the Danish cartoons which they consider to be irreverent caricatures. The events of 9/11, Afghanistan, Al-Qaida, and Muslim extremists like Usama bin Laden, have given Muslims and the religion of Islam a bad name. It is unfortunate that most Westerners now consider anybody of the Muslim faith to be a potential terrorist, or God forbid, a suicide bomber. This, I think, is what the cartoonist had in mind when he/she drew the Prophet with a ticking time bomb in his turban, indicating (probably) that Islam has been hijacked by extremists for their own questionable purposes. Muslims have a right to be unhappy about the cartoons..!! As would Christians, I reckon, if their Prophet was depicted in a way which they considered to be blasphemous. Vandalism, riots, hate and unrest, however, creates the wrong impression of Islam and Muslims the world over. Their Prophet cannot be defended this way. All it does is to strengthen and support the arguments of those opposed to the religion of Islam who will use these incidents as proof that Muslims are vandals, terrorists and killers. The cartoonist and editor of the Danish newspaper really should have known better! Although the cartoons were meant to be satirical, Muslims consider it offensive. & I can understand why. I thought the cartoons to be in rather poor taste, but you might disagree. You have your opinion, I have mine. That is the way of the world. A letter that was posted in some Danish newspaper; Sorry Sorry for giving you a home and assistance Sorry for giving you an education, free of charge Sorry for helping you economically Sorry for letting you exercise your religion freely in our Christian country Sorry for sending foreign aid to your home countries Sorry for not starting blood feuds over your murders of our countrymen Sorry for not wearing explosive belts and blowing ourselves up in public when our feelings are hurt Sorry for not following the requirements of your religion But an apology for speaking up in our own nation according to our own laws? That, you'll never have.
Very good post Mella, but i have to disagree with you on the fact that muslims do believe there are other religions, and they are forced to tolerate them in the Qur'an. and about this: What about the hundreds of things that were done wrong, such as prejudice by european countries to muslim minorities. You know that Danish Muslims have to leave the country whenever they can because they never can get jobs. What about the wrongs that people have done to Muslims. Before you insult another religions beliefs with cartoons first clean your own nose. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to disrespect anyone. It is wrong, no matter what law you throw in my face justifying it. There is no justification for crime or disrespect. I don't care how many cases you put in peoples face, or how many 1st amendment like laws you mention, it all comes down to it's wrong. Now so is the extremists, they are wrong too. But it doesn't give you an excuse to disrespect the innocent. You can make fun of terrorists, you can make fun of Extremists. But to attack a whole religion with insulting cartoons and false propoganda, that some who have done NOTHING wrong. You are no better than an extremist then. Stop the hate, stop offensive and prejudice issues to be allowed to be justified by freedom of speech. Just stop the hate, stop feeding this endless cycle of revenge, disrespect, and killings. Because it will never end. It will end up like the crusades again, and finally both sides will suffer, but neither will defeat another. You can argue everything you want, no side will be right and no side will ever win. War and hate and cartoons depicting muslims as terrorists, will not solve anything, except anger more people and cause more chaos. Why is it so hard for some people to understand?
ive actually seen some of these cartoons and i must admit they were pretty bad, i can understand the anger. www.totalfmforums.co.uk
I think they did or else they never would hvae published it. Incredible post Mella! Just one question. How can a "kaafir" be blasphemous? If you are a non-believer, it is pretty difficult to bring blasphemy upon something you do not believe exists. I'd have to agree with the above. In the context in which is was written.
I agree they have no right to kill and burn, I hope you didn't think I was saying that was ok in anyway and I hope your last sentence wasn't aimed at me, but at the backwards crowd.
No, they are not forced. Unless you consider "slaying the idolators" tolerance. We're about to whip out some scriptures here, if you are going to insist on practicing your kitman skills. Stop trying to make your people victims. They are not the victims heres, millions have displayed angry agression, staged and planned, and caused the deaths and murders of others over a silly cartoon. They are not victims, stop trying to portray them as such. Sure it does. Again, making them victims. More victimization. The *extremist* these days are the ones not protesting, rioting, murdering, burning. More victimization. Are you talking to these people: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/156837.php Yeah, where Christians got fed up and fought back. Hey! Who said kitman and taqiyah doesn't exist? Nice job, but needs better implementation! On a scale of 1 to 72 virgins, I give it 3.5 virgins.
She did not say that. You need to slow down a bit and take a deep breath in between sentences. Re-read that 5 times... Better yet, on Monday, write it on the board 100 times. "believes" - "desires"..... Seems to me there is a difference there. But you still think I said the 1st Amendment covers profanity directed at a school principal. Sure it does. Are you telling me that when Larry Flynt published a cartoon of Jerry Fawell banging his mom in an outhouse that was not disrespect? The supreme court thought otherwise and protected that cartoon under the 1st Amendment. It was pretty disrespectful, but then if you read the Supreme Courts ruling, particularly Justice Scalea's opinion, you will see why it was protected and free speech. There's your home work assignment for the day. Look it up. What? Why, how many "1st Amendment Laws" are there anyway? Are you ok? I did not realize there was more than one. 1st Amendment that is. It's not a law. It is an Amendment to the Constitution. You crack me up man!