Turkey recognized Kosovo's independence. Wow, isn't that hypocracy? How about the kur

Turkey recognized Kosovo's independence. Wow, isn't that hypocrisy? How about the Kurds who don't have their own country (unlike Kosovo Albanians) and have been fighting for their own country long ago before the Albanian separatists? Not to mention the Palestinians who have been uprooted by the millions?

Sorry for touching this taboo. But if we are honest about defending peace and democracy we have to pay the price for it. And the price is: Same rules for everybody.

Too many political prostitutes from too many countries fell into the trap (or let themselves be pushed in) that the Bush admin set up. The evil plan is to: Divide the EU and with it the World.
The more troubles in the world the better the control over countries. At least that's philosophy the morons in Washington believe in.

Washington says: “Well, Kosovo will be an exemption, no other separatists will receive this special treatment.”

Ha, ha, ha …. Isn’t this discrimination at its best? US has taken over the world as a superior judge and now decides what is right and what not?

 

First; there are dozens of countries who recognized Kosovo, including US and most of the west. You typically drive Turkey at front as your all other threads, i can find plenty of your obviously anti-Turkish threads in a couple of minutes if you like, you can just say "I hate Turkey", you don't have to tire yourself up so much. Haven't you made a thread about how Turks in Germany asking for Turkish education as something offensive? Are you in favor of minority rights or are you in favor of whatever fits your agenda? You appereantly have no moral grounds but only manipulative flip floping weekly.

Second; who has been fighting for their country? Are you in favor of the PKK terorists who never represented any ethnicity and mostly killed Kurdish people? False correlation, you have to know the difference between civil war, artificial ethnic dispute and terrorism is before you make such comment. You could say that for Northern Iraq, but not Turkey. If you consider recognition of Kosovo wrong, bringing irreleveant issues in front in the guise of a correlation is a childish knee-jerk reaction and even if were not, would be repeating of a mistake.

Third; There are actual correlations for a bias-free mind between Kosovo and southern France, Spain, native Americans of north, American black people, Cyprus and others.

Forth; personally, i'm not in favor of Kosovo dispute solved this way. No matter what happened and how wrong the former Serbian goverments were, this was a violation of the international law, which is wrong. But on the other hand, the reason things turned out this way is the way UN handled it, recognition is a consequence of all these, it's not Turkey to complain, the real actors are obviously more global and well known.

ST, can you just tell me what is your origin, I can give you the kind of game you're seeking.

 

You see Leo?

With your reply you showed that Honesty and fairness are good for you as long as they fit your interests. Why do you defend Turkey on this issue if you claim to be fair?

About France and the other countries who recognized Kosovo, they share the same guilt more or less as Turkey.

Since you asked why Turkey:

........Till now more than 3000 villages are being evacuated, Turkey has now about 3 million Kurdish refugees. From Amnesty- and IHD-reports is evident that evacuations often are attended by torture, disappearances, en executions of villagers, Also on large scale agricultural zones are being destroyed and wood is set on fire or 'foodembargos' are introduced. This measures do have apart from except the military aim, of course a assimilational aim; destruction of the Kurdish social-cultural infrastructure. The war is except a military war, a violent continuation of the assimilation politic, a kind of 'assimilation war'. ......

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kicadam/artikel/selfd.html

Don't defend your corrupted politicians. I don't defend mine. Corruption is bad for all of us.
Turkey, Macedonia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Bosnia etc. should stay out of this mess US is creating.

Peace is good for all of us.

 

actually,speaking of terrorism, Kosovo is now 90% albanian thanks to
KLA
which was recognized as a terrorist organization even by the US, before 1999 when they all of a sudden become freedom fighters, after they started collaborating with the US. Also, the current Prime minister of Kosovo is Hashim Thaci, former KLA leader. So now you have a new country founded on terrorism with a terrorist as its leader.

And yet, Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who recognized this as a problemRon Paul On foreign policy, while on the other side you have McCain who openly received endorsements from the same terrorist/"freedom fighter" group Mccain-KLA connection while claiming to be against radical islam in each and every speech he gives

 

Kurdistan Informatie Centrum Nederland - You just couldn't find a more objective source for the subject.

People who comfort and provide for terrorists are relocated to avoid further support. There is no compassion for those who kill or help kill innocent people. I think you are confusing these people with the Kurds Saddam gassed, Kurds don't all live inside Turkey, actually most of them come to Turkey from Iraq and Iran to survive and make better livings.

Support the good as long as you fit your interests, i guess that's what exactly you are as i stated with the example above, this response is a "No you, no you, no you" type i guess.

I defend Turkey because we are right. We are as patient as we can surrounded with hostile countries who support and provide terrorists, that includes Europe too. Belgium, Holland, Germany, France, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Armenia, Greece, Greek Cyprus, and others, actively support terrorism in Turkey. The only reason we don't respond in such way is because we don't stab people from the back, only on front, when it's necessary. I also stated that i do not personally approve Kosovo situation handled this way as it is a violation of international law, but the way UN handled it and the consequences it brought by, put Turkey in a position to recognise due to the relations between Kosovo people and Turkey. Turkey recognises a state which is recgonised by most of global community because UN handled it that way, so it's mainly a problem of United Nations, Turkey is not acting individually here.

Then why do i see only Turkey's name in the title? Talking Kosovo issue based on Turkey will get nobody anywhere, this thread will stay as another pointless Turkophobic threads of yours.

And again, you say you don't defend your politicians, who are your politicians? You never answer that. Let's bring some equality here.

 

And @eves, i know what you mean by "they all of a sudden become freedom fighters". That's how the global politics work sadly. US is one of the first to recognise Kosovo whereas Russia opposes it very hardly, that should give some clues. Major global conflicts mostly rised based on ethnic disputes, -see how ww1 started, it only takes a spark to start a huge fire- and fence sitters call the pawns either terrorists or freedom fighters, it's not hard to see who has the most influence in global politics therefore creating this mess.

 

Like LeoSeo said pkk is a terrorist organization and they just kill whoever they can. I don't know if you are aware of but in a very recent event pkk killed 6 people (5 of them were under 18 I guess) in Diyarbakir all of whom were Kurds. (This is not a single event there are lots of events which pkk burns buses, willages kills Kurdish people in south east of Turkey)

 

Nobody put the Turks on the electrical chair forcing them to recognize an illegal act.
LeoSeo you are not an Honest Person. At the very least on this issue.

Did you notice that very few americans reply on the Kosovo independence threads, and you know why?
I'll tell you, because that was just another Sh&tty situation Bush put them in.

 

LeoSeo is giving you in depth and clear answers but you fail to answer them the same way as you are not objective. Even the sources you show is not objective. What's your origin really?

 

haha do you honestly think Americans do not respond in Kosovo threads because they are ashamed or something? rofl. See a couple of Iraq threads to see how strongly they support their case on situations there is global contraversy against them. Those who even know where Kosovo is responds in other threads, maybe you don't notice who they are as they don't all have "US" in the location tab but i know who they are. To most of them Kosovo means nothing more than a bizarre word, it's a tiny territory 10k miles away which doesn't at all effect their life so it's understandable. We don't know about Panama as much as they do either.

Man you need to read the game theory and know a bit of depth in international affairs, i don't know how to answer that.

Now, what is your origin please? (for the 12nd time or sth)

 

LeoSeo,
You are not an Honest Person right? I am sure you know it, but you have don't have the courage to say it.

So why should I waste time with a hypocrite, discussing major international affairs who is just like Bush?
BTW some believe that the real game will be in Turkey and Iran. Kurdistan's independence is in the making. It is a matter of time Iraqi Kurdistan to get recognition. Then we'll see what songs about braking international law you will sing.

 

Still ignoring the question, Mr. Who-thinks-he-is-objective-about-the-situation, will you please tell us your origin if you have the courage to say it?

 

..says the guy who can't even tell his origin. You are nobody.

Seriously dude, drop it. You can be Turkophobic all you like, there were always people like you who are full of hatred having imaginary matter-of-time plans, read some history to learn what happens when someone messes with us, we are around for thousands of years and we will be. Eat your heart out.

 

Ahahah rofl. check this out, now we know why you were ashamed to tell your origin.

http://www.armeniangenocide.com/showthread.php?p=26326#post26326

Hahahahahah aah ahh..

An Armenian living in Los Angeles making anti-Turkish threads, why am i not surprised? lolol

Pathetic.

 

Your history? The Ottoman empire?
Nothing to be proud of. Wherever they went, they stopped the clock of economic and social development for as long as they occupied and oppressed the other ethnic groups, and the people of different religions.
What percentage are the non muslims in Turkey?

 

Ah yea, really pathetic. Questions answered. No need to take the guy even serious

 

Wrong I am not an Armenian. But you guys still deny what Turkey did to the Armenians about a hundred years ago, don't you?

 

Get a life.

 

Wrong? Hahahahahaa

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Btw, which democrat are you voting for? They seem to do everything you blackmail to win California Obama or Clinton? Come on i'm curious

 

Since you brought it up, don't you think people should learn from history that barbaric treatment of others like this " ..... Christians and Jews were not considered equals to Muslims: testimony against Muslims by Christians and Jews was inadmissible in courts of law. They were forbidden to carry weapons or ride atop horses, their children were subject to the Devshirmeh system, their houses could not overlook those of Muslims, and their religious practices would have to defer to those of Muslims, in addition to various other legal limitations.[5] Violation of these statutes could result in punishments ranging from the levying of fines to execution..... "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide#Life_under_Ottoman_rule

has no place in the 21st century?
Are you still proud of those things your country did to the countries they took over?
If you do, your morals are nothing better then these of the Emporer Bush.