Turkey orders YouTube blocked

As i support freedom of speech , but i also support moral values greatly . What i am trying to say is that , if you insult someone who hasnt done anything to you , or EVEN IS NOT IN THE CURRENT ERA and to write or say anything bad about them with out proof is just plane WRONG and i emphasize on my last sentence "PLANE WRONG".
So you might say , this isnt freedom of speech, its meant for every one to say anything about you, so take an example below.
" Some one says that you have stolen 1 Million dollars and this news is published in every news paper in the world , every channel on the television is having a report on this but you didnt even do anything , that day you were fast a sleep . So what are you gonna do about it ? Sit back relax and say , " WELL THEY HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH " and they can say anything they like OR you are going to justify your self and will ask for public support doing so "

If you agree with the above example , so you should also agree with what the Turkish government has done because Mr. Kamal Atta Turk has done nothing to you so why do you do this to him after his death???

If you think i am wrong please do state the reason.

Kindest Regards.
Ace.

 

Just some childish people posting these videos makes the whole country have to suffer? That is not professionalism (if that is even a word).

 

whats up with all these countries blocking google?

 

It has a good chance of being resolved in the future. As stated above...anyone who feels they can control what happens on the internet is a true fool. It's far too vast for anyone to govern period.

 

Jesus H. Christ stole 1 MILLION DOLLARS. I saw him do it. We were chillin' out at the bank together, smoking a fat doobie, when all of a sudden that dude like just walked into the vault, grabbed a big bag of Benjamin's, and walked out. The teller was like "Hey, you, hippie!" Jesus was all like "Bless you my child" and he just walked out. It was awesome.

So, when should I expect the police to come arrest me?

 

It's none of your business to tell people how to think about their idols. You can't understand what Ataturk is for this country so what you are saying did/does/will not make sense at all.

 

Will-Spencer,

Looking at the way you word your statements, you look like a huge Turk-hater. Fine. But please answer the following two questions that you avoided though I asked you these before:

1) If I made a video about "you," or "your grandfather" and put a male sexual organ in your mouth in the video, and put the video on Youtube, would you consider that "freedom of speech?" If so, why do people against whom these acts are done have the right to sue the doers in the USA and any other modern country?

2) If I said, speaking of a particular race, these people suck, and wrote on walls in the city stuff like "X race, fuck off," "Y race, suck my ...," or "Z race, you are inferior," and even made videos on these, would that be considered as "freedom of speech?" Again, if so, why is racism a criminal thing in the USA or any other modern country, again, including Turkey?

The moral of the story is not everything is within the boundaries of "freedom of speech." And you know this quite well yourself, and on purpose avoid accepting or replying to those points and trying to make it look like the issue is an issue of freedom of speech. And don't give me your ridiculus examples. If it is that easy, say something racist about a race, or post a video of the style that I described on Youtube.

What would happen? That would be considered crime by the USA laws. And that would also be removed from Youtube. What would not happen is if you did the same thing about Turkey. Then, they would keep the video there at least until they hear a court decision from Turkey. That is an obvious example to double standards!!

One last question: If there is nothing objectionable to 1 and 2 above, then why does Youtube remove them when it comes to stuff related to USA, but not countries like Turkey?

 

In any case, though, if Youtube does not abide by their own rule and if Youtube does those double standards, they deserve to be banned by any country. If there was some racist remark on Youtube concerning a race existent in the US, that vid would be removed within seconds or minutes. But if that is against the Turks, then, Youtube wait until a court decision.

See the thing is though that Youtube must be SUED for these cases. That would be better and Turkey would have a definitive win situation since the videos are against any international rights, and they include criminal activity according to the US laws, too.

 

Totally agreed!!! Very well said.

 

The video in question wasn't even about race was it? I thought it was only about a man (Ataturk)? In which case, it has nothing to do with him being Turkish. Or did they make direct racial remarks? Either way, it's just an opinion and it is silly to get so bent out of shape over it.

 

Well, pharcyded, I don't understand why, on Earth, you don't want to admit the fact that the videos under discussion were not legit!! They were clear violations of not only Youtube's terms but also the laws of the USA - not just Turkey. Why does it look so weird to you guys when Turkish courts decide something? Or why does it have to be even related to freedom of speech?

Yes, the videos under discussion included everything including racism. Some called Ataturk a stupid Jew for instance, but most importantly, they included profanity and adult material, too. Is that freedom of speech, pharcyded? Now, why don't you just some porn on DP to express your freedom of speech?

 

The problem is not freedom of speech or anything along those lines. The problem here is the ignorance of some people to whom when a country like Turkey bans something it is a violation of speech whereas if the same country was the USA, that would be called prevention of racism, violence or something on similar grounds. What needs to be done, then, is to educate the Americans and some of the Europeans out there. If there was a fair ranking of countries with freedom of speech, Turkey would perhaps be in top 3. Again, if there was a ranking of countries respecting human rights/women rights, or anything along those lines, this same contry would rank in top 3. Turkey was the first country in Europe to give women the right to vote/to be elected... Similarly, if there was a ranking of fairness or equality, or freedom in the real sense among countries in the world, Turkey would rank in top 3: Turkey has had Kurdish presidents/prime ministers, etc. Has USA yet had a black president?

Anyways, as I have said in a previous post, I love the USA at least as much as Turkey, and perhaps much more. But seeing the very obvious unfair treatment forces me to speak here.

 

I don't think it has anything to do with freedom of speech really (even though I feel everyone has a right to their voice regardless of their feelings). I'm not saying that everyone is right, but they have a right to their opinion regardless of how retarded it is. I just feel sorry for Turkey because it has to do without YouTube all because a single idiot posted a video. That just doesn't seem fair to me.

 

leet:

Think that through, you have made a terrible logical error. I am not telling anyone how to think. I am saying that those people don't have the moral right to force other people into silence.

Turks can think however they want about Ataturk. They can make shrines to him and masturbate all over them. I really don't care -- and even if I did care I would not have the moral right to enforce my choices.

I am not trying to silence Turks -- or anyone else. On the other hand, the Turkish Government is attempting to silence those people who disagree with them.

Do you now see and understand the logical error which you have made?

 

If there is anyone here with a logical error, that's obviously you. You don't have to comment about everything you know? Avoid commenting about those which you don't know a thing about so you won't be so non sense.

 

leet:

That was a completely inane response.

You have made a logical error and you are the only one who suffers from this error.

Let's take this to a slightly more theoretical level, which may clear the cloud which nationalistic fervor has set over your eyes.

Imagine three red circles: A, B, and C. Each red circle has freedom of thought and speech. Each red circle also has freedom of action, provided it does not touch another circle.

Circle A uses it's freedom of thought and speech. Circle B attacks Circle A and forces Circle A to stop exercising it's freedom of speech. Circle C says "That is not morally right."

How has Circle C told anyone how to think? It hasn't. That is a result of a logical error.

Circle C has not told Circle B how to think -- it has spoken out in regards to Circle B's hostile actions.

Circle B is free to think, speak, and act -- as long as it respects the rights of all other circles. Unfortunately, in this case it has not done so.

The only aggressor in this case is Circle B.

That probably not going to help you. It appears strongly as if you want to remain ignorant.

Now, let's review your original accusation:

Please review and tell me where I am telling anyone how to think?

I am not. I am only commenting upon people's hostile actions which affect other people. That is morally correct. It would, in fact, not be correct to allow someone to be attacked without coming to their defense.

I really don't care what you think about Ataturk, Mickey Mouse, Pamela Anderson, or anything else. It's not important to me. What is important is when you attempt to impose your beliefs upon other people.

The government of Turkey did this evil thing, and Google YouTube was complicit in this evil act. Two wrongs don't make a right, they just make a deeper wrong.

 

I'm not even nationalistic Will. You don't even know me so yet again, I'm telling you, stop talking about things you don't know a shit about. Your stupid circles and theoretical level fails on this one.

 

Is begging me to stop talking the only argument you have to support your baseless attack against me?

This mirrors your governments completely lack of moral authority -- which leaves them with no arguments other than to force their opponents into silence.

 

Ok I am gonna but a video in youtube your picture and a cock in your mouth. Freedom of Speech give me a sec..

 

This is outrageous the internet is unprotected if they want to block YouTube then let them do so it's not up to YouTube or any website developer to monitor things like this it's not as though its copyright or whatever.
Turkey is acting like a school who blocks indecent websites they are choosing information that gets passed to their people, this is no freedom you only hear through media where everything is corrupted just like americas media etc. the internet is the only gateway to reality and if this becomes goverened over then it's all over...