Turkey orders YouTube blocked

Although I don't support censorship, I think YouTube has double standards. Also, just because other countries are not defending their leaders/values doesn't mean Turkey shouldn't do it either. It's their shame if they're not but reporting the videos to YouTube and asking them to be removed is a better solution than blocking YouTube for entire Turkey.

 

be4 Turkish crackers c dis topic better delete it or lock it.

 

There are 75 million of people in turkey
37.5 million people is young. So at least half of them enters to youtube or some sites like that. I think youtube lose too much thing be sure.
for example we are the 2nd biggest visitor of facebook.com in theworld (approx 2 million). So i think you must think twice before commenting on TURKEY. Our country has big potential.

 

Will you ever stop making stupid patriotic comments about this issue?

 

Please pay attention what you say. You are talking about that you dont know anything about it. Ataturk is a not a politicians. He is the founder of Democratic Free Republic. If you know about history by the way I dont think so You can not say anything about Ataturk. I can say bush kus whatever he is , you can say about Tayyip Tayt (Our prime minister) but he a national symbol of our freedom. I hope you can understand this.

I am not defending our goverment the thing they did was wrong. But Something should happened.

 

Everything is possible in Turkey.If topic is Ataturk.

 

i cant see anyhing for funny happened in this subject

yes i agree this idea. youtube have double standarts for this subject. i never saw any bad video from other contries leaders on youtube . so i think youtube editors blind for this subject

now youtube online on Turkey if youtube have the same video for Ataturk. We will close this website from turkey again .

 

Actually,now I don't need YouTube because I ignored all YouTube videos on my web page.

We have pikniktube , vidivodo etc.

 

It appears that YouTube has abandoned their morals and has once again completely violated their parent companies "Do No Evil" mantra.

In response to pressure from the Turkish government, YouTube has censored important truths from viewers across the entire globe.

Turkey is now not only censoring it's own subjects, it is effectively enforcing censorship on the entire Internet.

What's next, Iceland blocks all Internet content critical of snow?

Due to yet another round of DDOS attacks from Turkey, I have blocked Turkey from most of my web sites.

 

comunists....

 

Turkey probably has much more freedom of speech than USA or any other Western country. Saying something against the president could get you in jail in the USA, but nothing will happen in Turkey. Again, whereas there is capital punishment in the US, there is no such thing in Turkey. Again, several people (mostly Turks) put anti-president videos or stuff along those lines on Youtube, but Youtube is not banned.

What banned Youtube was the videos against Ataturk. As someone previously mentioned, if videos against Bush are removed, why would videos against the founder of a country (who passed away long time ago) not be removed? That is more than "double standard." Noone expects Youtube to remove videos against the president of Turkey; they expect them to remove stuff against the most sacred, the most respected thing that Turkey has.

Ataturk, to Turks, is like what God is to most Christians and Muslims. This is not trued for every Turk, but for the rest, it can be stated that Ataturk is at least like what Christ is to Christians and Mohammed is to muslims.

Post a video against Christ or Mohammed on Youtube. Sure, they will be deleted. Post a video slandering Bush; sure it will get removed. And it should be!!

But similarly, videos slandering a country's most important symbol should also be removed.

 

President Bush wears womens clothes.

I'm waiting for the police to show up.

George Washington had wooden teeth because his natural teeth rotted out due to meth addiction.

I'm waiting for the police to show up.

God wears womens clothes, Jesus bleeds when he walks, the Holy Ghost is a peeping tom.

I'm waiting for the police to show up.

No. They won't get deleted and they shouldn't be deleted. This is what freedom of speech is all about -- saying things that go against popular belief.

Freedom of speech doesn't exist so that you can say "I like oranges" -- freedom of speech exists so that you can say things that closed minded fools want to prevent you from saying.

If the country is so weak in it's beliefs that simple words will crush its spirit, the country has larger problems.

If Ataturk is a God, let him defend himself.

If Ataturk is not a God, then treat him as a man.

Honestly, it is beginning to seem as if the entire nation of Turkey has a self-esteem problem.

 

1. Comments like "Bush wears women's clothes," will of course be OK, unless you are governed by a dictator. Try to say something "huge" or photoshop his pic with something on his face or something along those lines, then, that will be enough for you to go to court. Or And it should be, coz Bush has his own rights, as do everyone else.

2. But really, the comparison is not at the level of presidents. As I already mentioned, Ataturk, to Turks, is like what Christ is to Christians or what Mohammed is to Muslims.

3. No, the stuff against the president of the US will get deleted, and they do get deleted if you post something SLANDERING or putting something in the mouth of a spiritual leader. You see what I mean? I don't wanna use the word here.

4. Or let me put it this way: If I made a video on you with a picture of male organ inserted in your mouth, would that be deleted? Or should that be? Or do you think that is freedom of speech? If that is freedom of speech, then, what is racism? Sure, doing that act will send you to court. And doing that act about a bigger person, like a spiritual leader, will get you more in trouble.

And Youtube things against Ataturk should similarly have the same fate. It is not just a simple thing, it is at the same time a violation of the rights of a dead person.

5. Ataturk is God, in the sense that he is treated as one. Just like Christ is viewed by Christians as the son of God, but he is regarded to be so by members of no other religion!

6. Americans are great people, I have lived there and have had more American friends than Turkish in my entire life. And have had more American loves than any other... But there is a problem with the US. They think that their country have freedom of speech and they assume they have way more freedom in the states than anywhere else in the world, when in fact this is simply not true.

Countries like Turkey have much more freedom of speech and any other form of freedom than the US. But US ranks well with respect to other countries; that is true.

 

We're making the same arguments over and over again, so I'll try to respond only to what I believe is the "meat" of the discussion.

Here's Kayne West, one of America's least talented musicians, spoofing Jesus Christ:



That image won't be censored in America, or anywhere in the civilized world.

Ataturk has no more or fewer rights than Jesus H. Christ -- and those rights do not include controlling the speech of free individuals.

 

OK. Will.Spencer,

You obviously have no idea about DEGREEs! As I told you, if I, as a newsreporter, make news on you saying "this guy sucks," nothing will happen to me in Turkey, whether you are the President or anything.

But if I make a Youtube video putting the picture of a male organ in your mouth, hten, you have every right to go to Court, and sure, the court will decide in favor of you.

And the Ataturk decision was also made by a court, because someone went to the court in each case about the whole thing.

Or think about it like this: Would "racism" be classified as freedom of speech in the US? It sure would not.

Now, again, draw that pic you posted about Mohammed or the muslim God (given most Turks are muslims), nothing will happen to you. Draw that pic about Ataturk, you will hurt most people's feelings, but again, nothing will happen to you. But go a little bit further and draw something else, OK, then, that would require a court level thing.

It is like the difference between "pushing" a person versus "hitting" him, versus "killing" him. We all know "killing" would get you the most penalty. And we all know pushing would just hurt the feelings of the person pushed, and nothing more.

But the videos about Ataturk were just killers. Those type of vids are removed within seconds when they are about American leaders and such.

 

Just for the purpose of emphasis, that pic - if it was about Ataturk or any person Turks respect including religious characters - would not get censored in Turkey either.

But change that pic a bit, put some adult material. Would that or would that not get censored? That would get censored no matter who the person is. That would get censored if I did it to you - and yeah, anywhere in the civilized world.

 

At least spell it right...

 

fp:

It is simply not your decision whether the materials in question have value, nor is it the decision of any government.

Neither you nor the kangaroo court in Ankara have the moral right to limit political discourse.

Furthermore, limiting political discourse to ease short-term emotional pain has almost unavoidable long-term consequences. It prevents growth and change and causes stagnation and decay.

As John F. Kennedy, a noted liar and womanizer, once said “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”

By attempting to "keep the lid on" dissent against your current political structure, you are actually preventing the healthy venting of ideas. The end result is nothing but a further build-up of pressure.

In America, we are taught a simple rhyme in kindergarten. The rhyme goes like this "Stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." The moral of that rhyme is that mature and healthy people are not hurt by other peoples words.

It's far past time that the nation of Turkey learned what every American child learns in kindergarten.

 

I think you are absolutely right but can you tell me one thing "What is your limit of speeching, means should we ignore the proud of Nation during our speeching ?"

Whatever government had done, if that is behalf of a Nation I appreciate this. Might be possible am wrong but that's my opinion individually.

 

Does anyone have copies of the actual videos? I'd like to post them to support freedom of speech.

I have a web site that has already been censored by Google's AdSense division, so I have little to lose.

Plus, if i get banned by the Turkish government, that may make it more difficult for the Turkish DDOS boys to continue their attacks on my servers.