Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

@IsraeI
It is a documented fact that the first shot fired in anger was from a Palestinian farmer.In 1949 some Jewish settlers were removing rocks from a slope so they could begin plowing.The Palestinian farmer began shooting at them with a rifle from his land which was adjacent to theirs.They fired back and it's been nonstop ever since.The Jews "did" originally come as neighbors not occupiers.But.....that was then,this is now.

 

I don't want to go into who shot the first bullet, there's loads of propaganda on these matters.

The reality is that this was one big bad idea, and we are seeing the results, Israel is surrounded by enemies, and for all you know their neighbours could be planning to bomb Israel to smithereens when they get the chance, of-course right now Israel is aided by the US that's why we really haven't seen hell break loose yet.

There is some hope for peace, it's in Israeli hands, it's up to them to start doing what's right.

 

And what would that be?

More specifically, in your opinion, is there anyway they could "do what is right" and have the State of Israel continue to exist?

Is there anyway they could "do what is right" and have the jews continue to reside in the area surrounding Jerusalem?

 

- Stop occupying Palestinian territories
- Stop building on Palestinian land
- Stop the blockade
- Recognize Palestine 1967 borders including East Jerusalem
- Don't break another ceasefire

They won't don't do any of that.

 

And if someone shows up in your front yard spewing threats and waving guns, the "hope for peace" is in your hands, right? [Guess your irony meter is busted again.]

There'd be less trouble in the region if the Turk government (et al) didn't feel a political need to placate noisy assholes constantly hoping for a shooting war in which they themselves wouldn't have to dodge the bullets. As has been stated, Turkey is not likely to start a war that'd jeopardize their NATO status, so unless they get galactically stupid you're outta luck. Enjoy the show, cause they're just playing to the peanut gallery.

 

Wonderful post from robjones as usual, great analysis, you truly can see things others don't, what's your secret?

 

A wonderful pair of skills... reading and cognitive thinking.

You really should get a pair.

 

OK finally had some time to look at your study data . It must be one of the biggest jokes i've ever seen . Their method was on line and no mentions of implementation are provided , but what proves beyond all reasonable doubt that this is a fake is the fact that they fail at math . Every time I've tried to ad up the percentages I find myself under 100% . The study also fails to provide that the sample was random and many other elements that would e required for a valid study . Also the authority websites to which the study refers is also a joke . So next time when you decide to post blatant lies try to make it more interesting .

@Rob Jones : Thanks for the laughter man I've yet to see the terms " galactically stupid" and "peanut gallery" .

 

The ICM has been doing polls for the likes of the The Guardian since 1984 and you want to accuse them of "blatant lies", seriously grow up and embrace the truth.

 

If that was a the document from valid study then I'm James Bond , which I'm not also do be so kind as to back up your claims with some links . Respectable statistics institutes always have cool websites .

 

Whatever I tell you, you will never accept this study, so what's the point.

 

The point is that you should admit that this study is just a propaganda fart , therefore stop trying to convince people that it smells delicious .

 

Why is it that some people insist on dragging all debates into the gutter?

 

If you are suggesting that a reputable organization like the ICM is doing propaganda, all I can say is that you are deluded more than I thought, you have some real mental issues.

 

I've been asking the same question to myself since I started participating in P&R..

I'm not really sure about ICM's reputation, it is certainly not one of the popular research organizations. Even the Wikipedia page for this organisation is a stub.

However, if you don't emphasize on the research and result, I guess you have a valid point of view for a discussion..
The research and the result are not credible enough to be used in this discussion.

 

If they wasn't reputable they wouldn't be used by the Guardian, the Telegraph, the BBC or the many other organizations that regularly use their services. To accuse them of "blatant lies" and "propaganda" is just joke.

To question the accuracy of results however I would understand, anyway I accept these results, you may not, that's fine.

 

Well the world is pretty old and there are no (suitable) unoccupied areas. In late 1940s the area was British property, why can't they do with it what they want. Any case scenario it was better than keeping them in Europe. As for non-aggressiveness, theer is way too many people and not enough land, it could not be avoided.
By the way, Adolf Hitler was dreaming about resettling them to Madagascar.

 

They maybe reputable (somewhere) but that study is a joke if you are to lazy to ensure that you data is mathematically valid you have no place in the statistics industry . The white paper fails to show mathematical coherency , fails to show proof of methods used to ensure that the sample is random and unbiased , fails to even mention to show proof that this study is accredited by the UK statistics authority .

So yes it is a propaganda lie , a joke of a study all bought by some biased clowns that call themselves a news agency .

 

Whatever dude. The truth hurts sometimes. Just remember - 11% of Europeans agree that their countries should support Israel rather than the Palestinians,.

For the records:

Do you think it is right or wrong for the ... to support Israel rather than the Palestinians?

Respondents = 7045 in 6 European countries

Right - 11%

Wrong - 33%

Don't know/never-heard of it - 56%

Total = 100%

You can repeat yourself all you like, it doesn't change these statistics.

If this study can be cited by the Guardian, then so can I..let's give them a backlink - Europe's Israel romance is on the wane - Europeans are losing their illusions about Israel.


My work is done here.

 

Table 2 , Question 2 : Percentages given : 34% , 31% , 10% , 1% ,6% Total : 82% On the percentage of people that didn't answered (No opinion) we have a blank . So 18% of the people allegedly interviewed where gone fishing .

Further below we find another table : Is a democracy : Yes 45% No 34% None of these 15% Total : 94% So we must assume that 6% of those interviewed went to the bathroom for this question .

Next opinion : Is fair 13% Is unfair 65% None of these 15% Total : 93% so once more 7% (493 people) wen out for a drink during this question .

So the study is a big joke from all sides . Also the link you gave is a from the blogs of the Guardian which are never moderated by the main team they have little to no credibility . Also the article is written by the director of the online newspaper that ordered the study so ya he'll be totally unbiased Excuse me for doubting the merchant when he brags about his product .

Whatever trick you try to pull you're always exposed as a mythomaniac .

QED

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