Trying to get multiple IP addresses - Help !?!?!

Discussion in 'Directories' started by Geraldm, Feb 12, 2007.

  1. #1
    Hi,

    I'm trying to get 16 IP addresses assigned to me from my ISP. But they need clarification as to why I require them.

    I have stated that I will be running web services which require unique public IP addresses - but they would like to me clarify why?

    Basically the idea is to run blogs and/or directories on these unique IP addresses so Google will treat them as being on seperate servers etc... but I cannot really say that to my ISP as I doubt they would think this is a valid reason :eek:

    Can anyone think of a valid reason why you would need 16 public IP addresses ??? :confused:

    Cheers ....
    Gerald.
     
    Geraldm, Feb 12, 2007 IP
  2. Incorporating

    Incorporating Peon

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    #2
    I think you are mistaking something (not quite sure though).
    IMO you need that from your Web Hosting Company. As long as you pay you should have no problem.
     
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  3. britishguy

    britishguy Prominent Member

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    I think there may be some commercial issues around the questions they are asking you, that is I feel they will provide the service, but maybe they will want you to pay a commercial premium rate for the service they provide.

    Your request is valid and not unusual but I doubt the ISP will provide without an uplift cost applied for the service
     
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  4. Geraldm

    Geraldm Well-Known Member

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    They have already charged me £50 one off fee for the ip addresses. I'm already on their 'business' service.

    This is what they are saying:

    Any ideas ? :eek:
     
    Geraldm, Feb 12, 2007 IP
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    britishguy Prominent Member

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    You will need to read up on this to sure you meet with the terms they specify
    http://www.ripe.net/
    The RIPE NCC is one of five Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) providing Internet resource allocations, registration services and co-ordination activities that support the operation of the Internet globally.
     
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  6. an0n

    an0n Prominent Member

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    Just tell them you want all of your websites on separate IP's

    <!--- end of story ---!>
     
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  7. Geraldm

    Geraldm Well-Known Member

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    I did. But they now want to know Why I need them on seperate IP's :eek:
     
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  8. aaron_nimocks

    aaron_nimocks Im kind of a big deal Staff

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    #8
    Not sure why its so difficult. I never ran into that problem.

    But just tell them what an0n said and that should be all the info they need.

    At hostgator though its simple. They have a signup form for $2 a month each additional IP. I signed up for 30 of them and a few days later they were in my account.
     
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  9. an0n

    an0n Prominent Member

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    if they need more info tell them of the mythical 'it's good for search engines'

    if they need anything else, tell them to f*k off

    ;)
     
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  10. britishguy

    britishguy Prominent Member

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    Why not cut through all the typical English style crap they are giving you as you mentioned they wanted
    £50 one off fee ............ so they are a UK Company it seems

    Take the excellent advice of aaron & an0n and use hostgator
    End of story and you are all set to go :)
     
    britishguy, Feb 12, 2007 IP
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    wwws Notable Member

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    #11
    It's not your ISP or your webhost that needs this information, it is the people who manages the IP's. They need "Justification" For a newby it is always hard to give them the right answere as to why you need it, you could even cry and have them feel sorry for you, but it wont work they will still ask you "Why do you need it" Keyword= Justification

    One good reason to tell them is you need to set up an online shop, try that. IP's are not unlimited from what I hear, one day we will run-out as more people are getting into the net and using this protocols.

     
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  12. Geraldm

    Geraldm Well-Known Member

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    #12
    What's the additional IP addresses for? It's only one IP address per hosted site right?

    So for example what you are saying is this...... ?

    10 x $6.95 = $69.50 (hosting 10 websites)
    10 x $2 = $20.00 (seperate IP addresses for each site)

    that's a total of $89.50 cost per month !!! :eek:

    My ISP is only charging me a £50 (yes from an ISP in the UK) one off flat fee and I host the sites on my own server.
     
    Geraldm, Feb 12, 2007 IP
  13. agnivo007

    agnivo007 Peon

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    Well, its not uncommon that justification for additional dedicated IPs is needed with every order. With the indiscriminate use of dedicated IPs these days for SEO, free IP addresses are diminishing. Google engineers publicly declare that dedicated or different IPs do not add any more value to a site. So save IPs and save the net!

    If you are still going to push for the block of IPs, then one valid reason to put in the justification is that you are going to buy multiple SSLs for your sites. (SSLs are IP locked)

    An0n, that argument works with the hosts, not ISPs!
     
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    an0n Prominent Member

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    Agno, if my hosting provides extra IP's at $x per IP, and I buy accordingly, it is on them to provide what they offer. It is their job to obtain the blocks. I've yet to have any host ask me 'why', to this day. They acquire what they offer and I purchase, and then say, thanks Rob, here ya go. <!-- the end --!>

    As far as running out of IP's, I am seriously laughing at these posts. You guys need to do more research(in-depth i might add). It's comical at this point.
     
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    They will be on the same c class anyhow, so it is a moot point.
     
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    #16
    Oh, you need separate IP address for hosting sites then i think only the Web Host company can give you.

    Or do you want to create multiple accounts on DP ?
     
    aditya_sfs, Feb 12, 2007 IP
  17. Geraldm

    Geraldm Well-Known Member

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    I think we are getting off topic a bit ..... I really don't care why they are asking or why they are being so anal about giving me the IP addresses even after I have paid for them... All I care about is coming up with a valid reason why I need them and I think Ango has provided that (ie SSL certs) :)

    I am however a bit puzzled as to why Ango said this:

    If Google really have said this. Then why are people saying that it's better to buy links on sites on seperate IP addresses than it is to buy links on sites with the same IP address? :confused:
     
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  18. hextraordinary

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    #18
    you can tell them it's for SEO purposes, if they don't accept that, than there is not too much you can do, since they can successfully verify any "story" you come up with. Unless you are running non web applications on your server, which is probably forbidden anyway. That's one of the reason they ask about it to begin with.
     
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    Hello...

    Much like the rest i use hostgator also and when you get a resellers account you can get them ips at 2 bucks monthly.
    Dont let the hosting companies play games with you!

    Tell them how it is or you take your business elsewhere..........Period!

    thx
    malcolm
     
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  20. agnivo007

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    I dont trust or have enormous respect for matt cutts (G engineer), but I find he writes : http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/myth-busting-virtual-hosts-vs-dedicated-ip-addresses/

    Though there are always points put forth by a group and others countering them...its upto you to decide your way of action.

    Anon, its not comical... free IPV4 addresses are periliously reducing in number each day. Also, the OP has a dedi box and gets IPs from ISP (not a reseller or host), so justification is needed to be provided by OP, not a host.

    Good that the SSL cert reason was found to be acceptable to the ISP (as it always does)

    And BTW, "agno"...WTF ? call me "Agni" = "Fire" in Bengali ;)
     
    agnivo007, Feb 13, 2007 IP