Would you be capable? For example, you intentionally listed from your source, the KKK as (Christian), but the source actually lists them under "racial." And of course, you missed one HUGE LONG LIST there, but I'm sure it was a minor oversight. As a "supposed" athiest, I'm sure you would misrepresent all religions equally, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organisations#Christian Any idea why none of these groups are making headlines? Last headline I recall from any of them was that the KKK was hooking up with islam in their hatred of Jews. That's been about 1.5 years ago though (I have source for any that might be interested). Oh, there was a nice image from the recent organized riots where a muslim was holding up a sign that said "God bless Hitler." Was probably just a "misunderstanding" though
I highlighted it for you. It seems the promise of "rivers of wine" is undisputable. What I've been saying all along.
Zash, I believe that you and Muslims in general have undergone some severe training in bullshitting non-believers. It seems to be pointless to discuss this with you. If we ask you how high your mortgage is, you will tell us how much your car payments are instead. Same with gworld, the last post was just to drive people away from looking at what is being discussed here, the corrolation of Islam and terror. Not nitpicking over what the word Islam means. You're saying it's not a religion, Zash? Yeah right. Maybe it shouldn't be qualified as one and be called a cult instead, but it is a religion. You're also running around in circles and repeating your evasive answers. Why can't you face the truth and admit that the Quaran is full of violence? Why make excuses? You are making yourself guilty as a conspirator. And what do the peaceloving Muslims do to fight terror? Seriously dude, there is nothing wrong with admitting your true feelings on DP. I know that in Islamic nations you can't just say you don't believe in the Quaran ... and maybe that is another indicator that there is no getting thru to you. I don't know where you live, but you definitely show the same mentality of someone who is scripted.
Zash You insist that islam means system, well OK, I can agree and confirm - lets say its a muslim system, using terrorists and terrorism, indulging in violence and hatred, murder, tactical brainwashing and more, for its only purpose, to establish a kalifat, that at the end is even more supressing freedom then ever before. Don't you see that islam, muslims, quran are on a losing string? - finally and forever. When will you guys admit that you've lost. There's no Allah to rescue you when you guys islam(verb-submit) to the principles against live, love and legacy.
Peace all, Zash, I am happy that you have been visiting free-minds.org, I am one of the forum visitors too, anyway, I do have few things that I do not agree with you, especially the "translation" issues.. Well, whats the problem with the wine issue? As far ask I know, we were asked to avoid intoxicants..but talking about "prohibited", can you show me the verse where it is prohibited If you're free, you can read a debate here: hxxp://www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4869&highlight=wine Anyway, I agree with Zash when he said you shouldn't take it "literally", Anyway, I have a link to an article where it proved you shouldn't take Million of the "traditional muslims" seriously...I think Zash himself posted a few good links though he himself isn't that clear with the issues... hxxp://www.free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman1.htm hxxp://groups.google.co.uk/group/sangkancil/browse_thread/thread/31c0b35ff91b5326/598e9d145f9e889e?q=ayman&rnum=2#598e9d145f9e889e hxxp://groups.google.co.uk/group/sangkancil/browse_thread/thread/e1293901b1cfe615/12bbb27283d6cf28?q=ayman&rnum=1#12bbb27283d6cf28 I don't care who Muhammad is, I never see him, the name "Muhammad" is not even in Quran, do you know him that you are angry with him so much?? About "Your very Prophet was a sexual pervert", wow! How did you know that? Do you personally know this guy? First of all, make sure you quote the correct verse, the verse is 5:51 not 5:54 I don't need to spend my time explaning the verse above as I am very sure you don't understand Arabic, or else you would agree the word above means allies instead of friends...Here is a good read about it: hxxp://www.answering-christianity.com/friends.htm Why Not? Show me the verse...about the cannibalism, you said you read Quran, shouldn't be a problem I guess define terrorism, How about invasion? Do your religion taught you to be happy seeing all that? God, I thought Christian people are against violent..My GF is a Christian, and she is very much against violent..So, I am sure that Christian is against violent, except for some people like you who called yourself a Christian when you're not a Christian at all and you're no different with those "Muslim terrorist"..
islam and christainity both believes in life here after . so as per muslim beleief any one dying with out belief in one god and Muhammad (pbuh) as its last prophet is eventualy going to hell , so thats why for the best of non-believers , we offer them to accept islam ........
the same is the case with some muslims, so u have to blame the people who had done wrong and not the religion ............
The only problem is that you don't know very much and that is the reason you post this crazy ideas. Let me give you another example, a large percentage of all prisoners in USA are black, does this mean that there is a correlation between being black and criminal? The same way that people don't commit crime because of their color of skin, people do not become a terrorist because of their religion. Terrorism is a from of warfare and people go to war when they feel something is so important for them that they are ready to kill and be killed for it. There is correlation between crime/ terrorism and social, economical and political problems but not with religion or race.
I think Zash is wrong on that, Islam is not System, The word "islam" is synonymous with words such as compliance and obedience, read more here: hxxp://www.free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/name.htm
I normally visit this forum to read about SEO and when I saw this issue, I feel interested to share my knowledge..
Ok, but I find it highly suspicious that messenger of peace, roboxooo and ahmed83 has only made posts in this thread. Mayby because they decided to sign up and post when they saw the headline of this thread, I don't know. Edit: oh I forgot roboxooo
It is ironic that you are a Republican die hard and they are associated with Nazi's but you never address that GTech! Cut and paste this into your favorite search engine GTech: Nixon Nazi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Obedient to what? Even Satan asked to worship him and in return he will give you the world. Obedient comes from Obediah, a man who had to learn it the hard way to admit finally to Gods will, which is mentioned in detail in the old testament. When you are refering to the same God as mentioned here and who is full of love for his children, then why's the quran all talking and pointing to disobedience? - and against the living God? Take it from the roots and study not single minded and you'll will discover the whole truth. The main issue is Love which is not even lukewarm mentioned in the quran. There's no such a thing that peace can stand alone. Peace can only be achieved through love. There's not even a rational peace posible, whoever falls victim to such a claim will victimise him/herself. Muslims talking about peace without being rooted in Love. Your quran tries to teach rational peace which is completley impossible and can't work either, this why you guys are in mess now.
There is the answer Arnie, you finally got it man, the God of this world and his hate and his false prophets on both sides that preach hate are the cause of all wars, greed and violence worldwide!
Islam is a peaceful religion, its extremists who take it too far and make all the other Muslims look bad every religion has extremists. the KKK were anglosaxan protestants or w/e does that make all anglosaxan protestants violent and bad like them? no. if u read the Quran or other Islamic books it doesnt say go blow urself up and u'll be rewarded or w/e. its these stupid extremist terrorists who start making up their own stuff and get brainwashed by the terrorist leaders which basically is a cult. and it does not reflect the true religion of Islam.
Good points, and that is what the west is afraid of, the extremists taking control of governments and making everyone live under their version of law and order! We don't want that kind of government here and Europe does not want it there, so that is why we are going into WWIII, the problem is that the Superpowers use the poor people as pawns so they can fight for control of resources and this ruins everyone's lives and causes destruction! We can not have peace until our governments quit sending in secret agents to start trouble and we all know this will never happen! Who knows who really blew up the places of worship in Iraq, it could be agents of Western nations to get those people fighting against each other