Thats is what I am telling you guys, those people Taliban etc..Don't understand what they are doing just like majority of the people who follow things blindly..So, it is our job to let them know the truth instead of putting so much hatred on them..Those people "Taliban" hardly get any education...They were made to believe by their leaders they are fighting for god...Most of us here are all born educated, we know what is right what is wrong, so its our job to correct them instead of hating them..But, the problem is, sometimes, even educated people couldn't think properly when it comes to religous issues...You, see..how religion can make people "lose their mind" and unable to think..For me, religion is all about politics than anything else.. religion == politics
Zash, I believe you are avoiding the real issue on purpose. It's not about how educated anyone is. Or what you believe the Quaran is saying. It's about what it is actually telling people to do.
nope..the word Islam never mean "submit"..Remember, the Arabic in the Quran is not modern Arabic...That is why many people still researching the meaning of it...But for sure..it is not just "submit"....
Forgive me if, after reading your posts, I don't take your words as authoratative. You might want to argue that point with over a million websites, including many islamic ones right on the front page results: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=islam+means+submit&btnG=Google+Search islam = submit (submission) Are you deliberately trying to mislead, or is it unintentional?
47:15 Is the example of Paradise; that the righteous have been promised with rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk whose taste does not change, and rivers of wine that are delicious for the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey, and for them in it are all kinds of fruits, and a forgiveness from their Lord; like that of those who abide in the Fire, and are given to drink boiling water that cuts-up their intestines? - Free-Minds.org How about the above translation? You see, different translators will give you different meaning as a result of his understanding..You can't rely on one person translation...If you know Arabic..we can discuss this further...
So, what is so special when a million of websites showing the same thing? when Galileo Galilei came out with a theory that the earth is rounded... They sent him to prison because "majority" of the people that time believe the earth is flat...As I said, majority of the people are followers...Who copy here and there without understanding it..
As clearly pointed out, as you demanded for proof, there are your rivers of wine (alcohol) promised. As noted also, I left the verses (except the last one I quoted) open so people could research on their own, without someone (no names mentioned) trying to use the tired old "correct translation" or "must be read in arabic" excuse. I know the game well, I've seen it in action for years.
You are trying to discredit other people's sources. Why don't you share your sources regarding the issues here? It's nice to read about rivers of milk, but that is not what we are talking about here.
Do you know that.. the word "islam" also mean peace, security, completeness, safety, faultlessness, blameless and so on and so fort??
islam = submit Pure and simple, as quoted on any number of islamic sites from around the world. What does your reference say about it? Maybe next we can define kitman and taqiyya?
I never say it must be "read in arabic", what I said is you must not take only one translation and then say it is the correct one...I have more than a dozen Quran.. with different interpretation...its our job to find what is the correct meaning for those words..and as I said before.. You must take everything "literally"..Just like Bible, or Gita or anything..it is to be understood methaphorically...As example, in my culture, the word "bunuh" means kill..but its not always mean to murder someone, as example my sister once complaint to my mom that her son shouted at her..my mom told me she should "kill him" before he step on her head...Is that means my mom asked her to kill him? Nonsense, What she asked my sister is, to "stop him before he gets over the limit"..You see..you can't just say..It can't have different meaning..you must understand...Old English and English are 2 different language..Just like American English and British English.Being good at modern English never mean you can read old English Literature without any problem...
I know what you..I am not trying to deceive anyone..you have the right to agree and disagree..if you think what you "understand" is correct..I am nobody to say anything..
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hxxp://www.free-minds.org/articles/gods_system/name.htm read this..this is one of different views of the word...
Incorrect. A poster mentioned rivers of alcohol, you demanded proof, I presented proof with the Sura verse number, but not the actual verse. You looked the verse up and quoted it, with the "rivers of wine." So far, you have provided not a single reference to even remotely suggest the poster was incorrect. Do you have a reference for that Sura that does not include "rivers of wine" that can be verified? If not, then there isn't much of a debate on the subject. Quoted as the "Authorized English translation" of the quran regarding 47:15: http://www.submission.org/suras/sura47.html - rivers of wine (there's that word...submission) http://www.quranbrowser.com/cgi/bin/get.cgi?version=pickthall&searchstring=+44:51;+47:15;+52:17 - "rivers of wine" http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Contra/qi028.html - "rivers of wine" http://www.studying-islam.org/articletext.aspx?id=539 - "rivers of wine" The original poster was correct, the quran does promise rivers of alcohol (wine) and even more correct, to the other verse numbers I pointed out.
Where in the Tora does it justify it? The Bible does not justify their actions Since communists don't believe in God, I guess there goes the "religion is the cause of all evil" theory. The only religion I know of that preaches hatred and violence is "submission".
I did put the place where I referred the verse... http://www.free-minds.org/quran/PM/47 47:15 Is the example of Paradise; that the righteous have been promised with rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk whose taste does not change, and rivers of wine that are delicious for the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey, and for them in it are all kinds of fruits, and a forgiveness from their Lord; like that of those who abide in the Fire, and are given to drink boiling water that cuts-up their intestines?
Bullshit I'm a lapsed Christian. Christians gel into the culture unlike muslims and you got misled by my mythic Hindu name. Your very Prophet was a sexual pervert. See the record of all other prophets who came before for example, Moses and Jesus. Were they sleeping around? Do not give mortality rate as the reason: Jesus and Moses were long before your Nomadic Prophet was there. A muslim wants to f**k in this world and on top of it wants to F**K in heaven (that's the greed). No, we should be stop being cowards and take the Israelis as example. " 5:54 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust." That's what I take from a Surah in your book. Can you show me any other religion which blatantly states like the quote above. You can marry Christian and Jewish girls but a muslim girl can not marry a non-believer. Now I realise why Muslims don't eat pigs: I got the answer. For a Jew it's unholy, for a Christian it's a preference (I myself don't eat it because I eat only Fish and Chicken), but you know why a Muslim shouldn't eat pigs? Cos if he did he will be accused of cannibalism. Balls to your comments, I read the Koran and know its propaganda. Your very guys create problem in Spain, London and even Sydney. These guys should be locked up along with pigs and they desever that. Finally, could you give me one reason why your religion alone has terrorist organizations???? Now and then I jump out of joy when Israelis (yes the former children of God in Islam) blow your terrorists to pieces. I also work for the unity of Jewish-Christian unity against the Islamic calamity but I don't go killing people. The tolerance is slowly weaning out, the time will come when a war will break out and muslims will find themselves hapless. Do not talk about Hinduism. Hindus according to me are more tolerant than Christians themselves. I myself was an anti-Hindu but many tolerant Hindus have been great role models for me. In fact, they bow and pray before the crucifix though they don't convert.