You must not know the definition of a Zionist. Do you know how many Palestinians exist? I know there are 1 Billion Muslims out there. Saudi Arabia is huge. The Arabic states could take in the Palestinians and not even "feel it". Why won't they? Because if they did, they would have a harder time to come up with excuses to attack the ones that they hate the most: Jews, Americans and Christians. It's a lot easier to exercise the words of the Quaran when you have a smokescreen in front of you, rather than having your ideology exposed to the rest of the world, which happens to be ignorant and naive for the most part (it seems). Saudi Arabia is 1/5th the size of the U.S. and there are 1,213,000 Palestinians living in Israel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian
Even though ive deleted the previous post cause it wasnt complete...and i got no idea how it got posted. Ill respond to what youve said there blogmaster. In terms of Zionism I believe there are 2 distinct interpretations. One, is the interpretation many arabs and muslims associate with it...and that basically translates into a "pro Israeli hard line". "an aggressive stance" if you will. And the other is a more liberal belief in Israeli self determination, The rights of the jewish people to a homeland. Both interpretations are used frequently..although in this case im suggesting that Zionism can go from being a simple belief in self determination and the rights to a homeland, both of which i have stated previously that i totally agree with, to an outright hostility towards anyone that critizises Israel, for whatever reason...justified or unjustifed..logical or illogical...critizism just isnt tolerated. Im suggesting some people in this forum display that hostility and therefore they fall under the first description. In terms of your second point...no doubt there a couple of states in the Middle East that could easily take in the Palestinians...im not saying they shouldnt do it either, it just doesnt appear likely. The Palestinians themselves are a mixed bag of religions and cultures, although mostly arabic, and mostly islamic...At this point they have carved out a uniqueness which seperates them from other people in the region I believe, and they certainly believe so...I guess there original ties were Syrian if you wanna go back that far, and you could go back even several millenia BC and trace more ancestory....i dont think any of that is particularly relevant..Its 2006...lets get on with it. See we need to draw ourselves away from the archaic ties to the old world and face the modern political realities. How far back do you wanna go back? to Mesopotamian times? If thats the case you could throw a stone and hit a dozen differant cultures that have claim to various parts of the Middle East....and there was no such thing as even the notion of Israel in those times. Territories are invaded and conquered time and time again. Much of what is present day Israel wasnt even in jewish hands for a good part of what is officially seen as around 3000 years of geniune jewish history. For at least a millenia within that period particularly since the introduction of Islam in the 7th century...the entire area has rotated hands a dozen times at least. If you wanna check out the notion of a Palestinian identity...check out wikepedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian#The_origins_of_Palestinian_identity Its that steadfast, outdated notion of clinging on to the past, and not facing the realities of the present that is our undoing. At the end of the day i just hope there is a peaceful resolution..eventually and finally, and if the other arab states come on board then so be it. Also dont forget...the President is in favour of a Palestinian State. Good to see someone has faced the reality of the situation.
If anyone has a subscription to The Atlantic, I recommend reading this article. It's very interesting. http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200603/israel-checkpoint
Many of the Arabs I speak with don't want the Palestinians in their countries because they consinder the Palestinians to be low-class rabble, the sort of folks who you would accept as migrant workers, but would never let marry your daughter.
By the way, who is Messenger of Peace and why was the original post edited (what did it say before?) I know it didn't say The original poster hasn't signed in since March 10th
I dunno, maybe the head choppers got him. The Islamists are very intolerant of Muslms who disagree with them.
Afghan Man Faces Death for Allegedly Converting to Christianity KABUL, Afghanistan — An Afghan man who allegedly converted from Islam to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday. The defendant, Abdul Rahman, was arrested last month after his family went to the police and accused him of becoming a Christian, Judge Ansarullah Mawlavezada told the Associated Press in an interview. Such a conversion would violate the country's Islamic laws. Rahman, who is believed to be 41, was charged with rejecting Islam when his trial started last week, the judge said. During the hearing, the defendant allegedly confessed that he converted from Islam to Christianity 16 years ago when he was 25 and working as a medical aid worker for Afghan refugees in neighboring Pakistan, Mawlavezada said. Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which states that any Muslim who rejects their religion should be sentenced to death. "We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge said. "It is an attack on Islam. ... The prosecutor is asking for the death penalty." The prosecutor, Abdul Wasi, said the case was the first of its kind in Afghanistan. He said that he had offered to drop the charges if Rahman changed his religion back to Islam, but the defendant refused. Mawlavezada said he would rule on the case within two months. Afghanistan is a deeply conservative society and 99 percent of its 28 million people are Muslim. The rest are mainly Hindus. ------------------ It will be interesting to see how this plays out. This sort of insanity keeps popping up in Afghanistan, but never seems to go all the way. This may just be an opportunity to create a body of civil case-law which points in the right direction. Democracy ain't pretty. It may be the best form of government yet devised, but it's still pretty awful.
No, arabs have a very great respect for humans. For arabs and moslems in general, there are no better humans than Palestinians.
Not so, but it sounds good. Reality looks a little bit different. Do Muslims consider infidels as equals? No. And I don't believe that the Saudis consider the Palestinians as equals. So, when we're talking about prejudice ... there you have some to look at.
Yeah I know it's frustrating. Messenger of Peace is probably just some sad imam that spreads islamic propaganda on popular boards. I guess he register/posts on 20-100 boards a day or something like that. It's people like him that makes the religion to look bad.
How else can you explain the furious support to the palestinians? Why are they not supporting chechnyans instead?
Support in my book would be taking in the refugees, helping them get a good start, strengthening the infrastructure in their neighborhoods, anything to enable them and their kids to have a good future. Not paying families of suicide bombers and encouraging other families to send their kids out with bombs on their backs and train their kids early on to become "heroes". It doesn't mean using them to excuse their hatred towards Jews and Americans either. Palestinians are being used as pawns. If Muslims generally speaking cared about the well being of the Palestinian people, we wouldn't have this discussion at all.
Yes. A Muslim is a person who believes in Islam. An Islamist is a person who believes that Islam will and should become the dominant religious and political force on the Earth and believes that violence is an acceptable tool to make that happen.