What cracks me up is when people get out of shape whenever someone actually has the courage to express what half of those who have voted are thinking. Would you guys prefer political correct BS? There's a great solution: let's lie to each others and miscommunicate even more than the politicians do
Is Pat Robertson a man of peace, how about Jerry Falwell http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=621676&postcount=1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
One of the bad reps Read my post, this is not racism. I've said something about Islam, not about Muslims. Just the true Muslims who follow the ideology to the T. Has nothing to do with the color of skin. Nice try to put a guilt trip to shut someone up. Please come up with something better than dealing the same race card again. Racism does not apply here, and whoever once said that racism covered religion: if I called Scientologists kooks, would you call that racism? You know it will, but that's ok. If that is the only argument they have against our posts, that's like an admission of guilt to me. I'm not looking down on anyone, I call it what it is. No sugarcoating. Bush may tell you Islam is a good religion, but he didn't mean it. Just take a look at the poll and then tell me that I'm the only one here thinking what I've posted.
until the general muslim community stands up to the extremists who want to blow things up, perception will be that the muslim population is violent and condones the extremist activity. Doesn't matter what muslims believe; until they clean their house out, perception will be reality.
Hate is the problem on both sides, the United States is not showing any leadership in trying to stop the hate, when we do, the other side will draw down too! They (Russia and China who are sending weapons to the "so called enemy") will not draw down when we are threatening to move into Iran from our base in Iraq. The way things are going you can not expect this destruction to stop, look for a wider war that will draw Europe in, that is what Bush wants!
Some Basics of Islam: 1) Belief in God 2) Belief in the Angels 3) Belief in God’s Revealed Books 4) Belief in the Prophets and Messengers of God: Muslims believe in the prophets and messengers of God, starting with Adam, including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them). But God’s final message to man, a reconfirmation of the eternal message, was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad . Muslims believe that Muhammad is the last prophet sent by God. 5) Belief in the Day of Judgment 6) Belief in Al-Qadar: The belief in Divine Predestination includes belief in four things: 1) God knows everything. He knows what has happened and what will happen. 2) God has recorded all that has happened and all that will happen. 3) Whatever God wills to happen happens, and whatever He wills not to happen does not happen. 4) God is the Creator of everything.
I don't want to argue with you blogmaster. I don't think you or anyone else who thinks like you will ever change your views so I won't bother. You're speaking about something you know very little of. By the way, it came out grey.
It wasn't me! And actually: the ones who know little about the Quaran are the ones who bury their heads in the sand. The ones who want to believe that everything will work itself out. I wished it was that easy. But it's not. A book calling upon its followers to pick up the sword and find the Jews hiding under rocks, is not something that I consider a peaceful guide on how to live you life. That's nice, but how about all the stuff about Jews and Christians and how to "convert" them?
Does the new testament encourage crusades? No. It was the decisions of people like King Arthur. He followed his own ego, not the Bible.
I don't know enough about Islam to make an educated opinion so I won't. I just want to say there there are far to many people that use religion (any religion) for evil purposes and if there is a God I trust that they will be duely punished.
Yes, he followed the book that we are talking about here. He followed the Quaran. He put into action what Muhammed put into words. Jesus didn't talk about crusades. We're talking about "true Muslims", meaning what the Quaran tells its followers to do. And I'm afraid to say, the Quaran does not contain any hippie talk at all. It's calling upon its followers to commit violent actions. I believe that most Muslims are cool and don't follow it. But: there are 1 Billion Muslims in this world, and the ones who truly follow the book, they are willing to fuck shit up. They are ready to support the next mission to get them closer to Allah. I'm not saying who is better, Christians or Muslims, I'm just saying: one book calls for peace, the other for war. It's no coincidence that most terrorists are Muslims (note: not most Muslims are terrorists).
Do you really think this is all about religion? I'm calling it quits here. You have nothing to say because you're too naive to see the truth.
I knew you would say that. So half of the voters here are confused? I agree, let some other people give input as well. But we've all heard your type of talk for 5 years now in public, the PC BS. Let's be real and look at the Quaran for what it is. A vicious book written by a hateful childmolester who liked to treat women like slaves. I wished that people like you would just wake up and stop making excuses for this shit. I wished that people like you would stop playing the race card and all that crap. That is why the world is in such bad shape, people don't talk things out. They say whatever sounds good and think something else. I think this thread is brilliant in order to reflect what people really think. yes, half of them are with you on this topic. But do you know what they teach kids about Jews in coutries such as Morocco and Iran? Do you know what goes on over there and how much of it corrolates exactly to what that book teaches? Dude, I know this is not a popular topic, but please think for a minute. Stop looking at the societies from our perspective. We are free to speak, they are not. So everyone is acting muslimish - not all of them are into it. Bottomline: the Quaran is evil. And those who follow it word for word should not be trusted ... period!
From one of my posts last year when gworld was trying to avoid the truth: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=266328&postcount=712 ABC News/Washington Post just conducted a poll on this very issue and published it's findings two days ago: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1700599 Nice pretty charts here: http://abcnews.go.com/images/International/Islam_views.pdf Seems like more and more people are finally learning the truth.
I think it is impossible for anyone to state as a matter of fact that belief in one religion or another is truly right or wrong. Belief is a powerful thing and messages can be interpreted differently by followers and will change as time and generations pass by. What teachings would be 'added or modified' by those who wrote the original scriptures if those writers were living today and could see for themselves how this world is now, in pain and disharmonious because of different races, religions, standards and ways of living? Would any really say conflict is godly? Perhaps they would be more concerned with the hungry, diseased and dying while only short distances away, people enjoy TV dinners, swimming pools and fancy material trappings. Maybe they would question our indifference and ability to tolerate such suffering. Would they ask 'how much rice could the cost of a single machine-gun buy?' The lives of thousands, even millions could be enhanced with the finance and effort humanity spends on its weaponry and ability to kill. We simply assume that the writers of the past are 'all' we will know of and the books are now closed. Human reasoning and learning are a dynamic process and as time moves on, so will the need be for further revelations and advancements in our understanding. Whether or not those new revelations are from new teachers, future saints, holy people, or modern day scientists is not important. What is important is to 'see' and understand that all through time, humanity is driven to learn more and grow in understanding. For most of us, that will mean following the reasoning, revelations, truths of others. As fact, not all of individuals within humanity can lead or invent or teach, most can only follow. Historically, writers, whether they be holy or heretic, scientist or madman, phrase their words and expressions so as to be understood in the era in which they live. That is not to say that their teachings become less relevant over the ages, only that the further away from the source and time of their wisdom that we choose to follow, the more we must look for additional understanding that keeps pace with the times and circumstances in which we live. That means there will always be new teachers needed, more lessons to learn, new discoveries to make and new ways to understand old wisdoms. Only when we hear the final word will there be nothing else to hear or learn or feel in relation to this earthly experience. What is harmful however is the business of forcefully converting others to your will or belief without allowing the choice of others to explore their own nature. I do not 'see' any reason why individuals of any persuasion can see themselves as absolutely right on matters which have not yet been fully revealled and will not be revealled until the end of time. I believe there will always be something more for all of us to adjust to, learn about and strive for. What you believe is up to you, so long as it does not hurt or deny the freedom of the innocent, or disrespect the memories of the dead. If another man is of a different colour, race, language, culture or belief, it is surely their own path and life that they follow and hardly anybody-elses business to destroy or deny. Challenge, yes, debate, of course, persuade and cajole, indeed. But to kill another, because they do not believe in your own religion can never be considered 'enlightened' or justified as truth inspired by the ancients.