You aint seen hitlers work?, or Stalin, or Pol Pott?....also inspired by extremist idealogy. The cold calculated slaughter of millions, how fucking warped would you have to be to witness hundreds of thousands people being gased and just carry on as usual..Thousands of german soldiers did just that, twisted and warped by Hitlers philosophy... What the extremists have done is nothing differant to whats been done in the past....damn i mean how cruel were they in the middle ages?
I'm not assuming any race, employment status or anything. I go by your words. I don't sit here wondering if you are Muslim. I read you defending a side that stands for some of the most inhumane actions ever performed by humans. We have a police force that is doing that. Why don't we see some anti terror squads in Islamic nations? And btw what is your reason for defending Islam extremists?
True, Nerz! And I agree 100%. So why can't we talk freely about Islam extremism the way we do about them? You answer me that, and we will be closer to a solution here
The only one on the high horse is that asshole posting the pic of the kids while ignoring the other side of the tail. Get real. If you hate America for whatever reason, then say so. Don't beat around the bush (no pun intended).
Then why did you ask why I can't control our criminals? At what point have I mentioned extremists. In fact, most of the time I have simply been asking you you justify YOUR outrageous sweeping statements of a particular race.
Because unlike yourself Blogmaster, I dont see Islam, or the Quaran as the culprit, I see a bunch of warped Clerics twisting it to suit there own hate, and then spreading that hate to marginalized and angry muslims as the culprit. Thats whats generating the extremists..not the bloke down the road praying at the mosque and doing everything you and I do every other day. Again its a minority problem. Not saying it doesnt exist..but im not prepared to call a billion followers of Islam a bunch of savages...the facts dont bear that out.
You are so full of shit! And definitely none of my friends is that full of shit. Where have I ever mentioned race? You are trying to play some sort of game here trying to make Americans bad and Muslims good. If you do so, don't do it thru deception and lies. Be real and get your point accross without making false accusations of racism and such.
What NFL? They certainly play soccer...the real football actually a couple of national middle eastern sides are quite good at it...European coaches and endless pots of money pretty well assure that though.
We have long ignored the islamic world. Simply trying to impose some neo-Wilsonian western democracy on a society long entrenched in lines of political, ethnic, religious, economic and other cleavages will harvest nothing. The book by Mr. Abraham seems a good read, and I am looking forward to obtaining it. I do think it hits many salient points. I do not, however, believe this is about religion. I don't believe any conflict usually is. In Iran, the Shah lost his shorts not because he was "pro-western" or "westernized" his country too precipitously. He failed because he did not see (or at least did not have the foresight to use) the hubs of extant power surrounding the mosques of the ulama, and the universities of the newly mobilized intelligencia. He sought to destroy, rather than coopt those burgeoning bases of power, and this was his eventual undoing. The Ayatollahs, early in the Islamic Republic, had a different problem. They lit a match to these traditional hubs of power, and the conflagration they incited threatened to swallow them up in its rise. Their job, which they succeeded at, was to coordinate the disparate, mobilized powers moving forcefully throughout the land. In Iraq, we face a situation where the society is aligned along several intractable cleavages: the religious cleavage, and the coming sunni-shiite civil war, is but one. For us to believe we can impose pluralistic democracy on this society, as it is, is naivete in the extreme and we will only fan the flames of a struggle long in the making if we do not pursue another tack. I don't believe "the New Caliphate," if its battle cry is declared to be wahabism, is truly religious in nature. The children of the religious schools, the children of the green headbands and bombs, and their parents, seek material betterment to their lives - and it is not all about bread and money; as long as we are seen to be allies to disenfranchisement and misery, we will be The Great Satan and, unfortunately, untying this Gordian knot will not be relieved by dropping care packages and providing voting booths. It will require true pragmatism and penetrating intelligence on the part of policy makers, foreign policy analysts and diplomats. It will require that we actually engage the Islamic world and discern the things lying under the surface, beyond religion and fanaticism, to existing social structures and points of possible aligned interest.
I've missed this post. I've met quite a few who responded to me saying things like "well, it's Israel's fault that Palestinians bomb them".
Yeah, I don't think the American Football fever has caught on over there. Afterall, the ball is made from pigskin. Allah wouldn't like that
lol in english please, for the uneducated sweaty masses such as myself? What i did gather from that though is that its a complicated matter and trying to impose western solutions on non western culture is going to be hard at best... As that a fair assessment of what you said? If so id have to agree.
You jump around, change your views and generally act like a scared puppy... So what point is it you are trying to argue? And at least anwser the one question I have really asked you... HOW MANY MUSLIMS HAVE YOU ACTUALLY MET THAT SAY CHOPPING PEOPLE'S HEADS OFF IS A GOOD THING?
Well im not going to say i support militias attacking Israeli civilians...but can I understand it? Yes I can...you couldnt even hope to get to the mindset of the average palestinian unless youve lived under that kind of oppression for years on end...again its years of watching soldiers kill your friends and family and years of checkpoints can probably drive you to react in a way you otherwise wouldnt dream of doing if the world was actually sane. Put yourself in the shoes of a palestinian teenager thats seen a couple members of his family die, and friends die...at the hands of Israel's rocket raids or soldiers...do that for 1 year...do that for 10 years...How do you feel now? Can you pick up a gun now?...Sad isnt it...but thats the reality.
I don't believe I was referring to you, but supporters of Islam in general. What exactly is your motive here? You're not making any sense. Do you hate Americans, Jews or both? Seriously I get that vibe from you big time. I think you have some racism going on here, because you also seem to be very offended assuming I assumed you were not white, employed and so on. Seriously, the only one here on a high horse is you. And I believe your motives are far deeper than the issue here. Don't hate people, I don't. I hate the ideology that goes against people. And IMO the corrolation exists between Islam and some of the inhumanity we have seen. Either how:
Yeah, more or less. It isn't "western" v. "non-western" per se, but putting some structure on top, willy nilly, without discerning the underlying social structures underneath - e.g., take the example of a representative government, shared between sunni, shiite and kurd. What if the countryside has long had a center of regional power, and fiercely protected political allegiances, which have nothing whatsoever to do with religious affiliation but rather with regional economics and resources, and fears of losing these? What if, in fact, there are "country shiites" and "country sunnis" more aligned, and more willing to die for each other, than for their urban cousins, though these urban cousins may share the same sect? In other words, it is a rushed, foolhardy thing to believe, like some missionary, that we can bring to this society, any society, some of what Edmund Burke called "metaphysical abstraction" in the way of an electoral democracy without first ensuring other things are in order. More broadly, I think, it is a mistake to view this as a "western" v. "non-western" ideological war in the making, or "Christian" v. "Islamic," or whatever other surface ideology we wish to put to it. It is a different, and less easily unentangled beast. But absent that unentangling, we are, I fear, in for it for a good while to come.