The atomics bombs saved tens of millions of lives by ending WWII. Pretty nifty! I'm an Athiest, so all religions seem silly to me. However, when you look objectively at Islam -- it seems clear that the results of Islam are measurably worse than those of the other major religions. How many Islamic countries are Democracies? How many Christain countries are not? How many airplanes have the Buddhists blown up recently? Please tell me about all of the troubles we are having with Hindu's raiding elementary schools and tying bombs to small children. I'm sorry, Islam may sound wonderful, but the actual results of Islam appear to be totalitarianism and terrorism. Please, prove me wrong -- not in words, but in action. I would love to be typing here in a decade and saying how wrong I was. Please, quit abusing women, quit terrorizing your neighbors into silence, quit chopping heads off of strangers, quit murdering people for speaking their minds, quit blowing up cafe's, quit blowing up mosques, quit blowing up airplanes, quit blowing up buildings, ... you get the idea. We will not believe your words, we will believe your actions.
I don't have problem with you going against those people who do terrorism, but the problem is, you need to understand Islam is not about the 2 sects , S hiah" nor "Sunni"...have you seen anyone other than Sunni or Shiah taking explosive?
Reports estimate somewhere between 60,000 and 200,000 died in the the blasts on Hiroshima and Nagaski. I think you are a little off in your math. Had those bombs not been dropped the war would have lingered on for a few more years, and millions more on both sides certainly would have died. The point you miss in the mention of the use of the A-Bomb by Truman in WWII is that it was done in order to save lives, not to obliterate them. Terrorists seek to end life everywhere for no particular reason other than, because their religion tells them to.
I am not only talking about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki incidents, but the whole WW1 and WW2... to save lives by killing more innocent people? I think you're talking about their religious leaders who promised them "heaven"...Again, what "religion" has to do with "submitting to god"??? Again I am defending myself as "Islam" which is "to obey law created by god" which is this universe..not a religion called "Islam"..
It's not a very good implementation of al-taqiyya...I've seen better. Keep practicing your skills. I presume you are a rookie, as the others have been. I'm not aware of any outstanding questions you've asked me. I understand the scriptures quite well. As I pointed out a number of them early on in this thread, of which most went silently ignored, as usual. As Will said, I understand actions. Those actions indeed, meet with the scriptures of islam. Pretending they don't serves no purpose other than to deceive. You seem to be forgetting, us "infidels" are not fond of being subdued. I can't speak for everyone here, but I personally do not like my neck smyted. More and more "kafir" are learning the truth. Granted, there are still dhimmis with "fly by posts" seeking moral equivalence with "not all {insert something dumb here}" or the ever popular "fence sitting" statements like "all religions are {insert something dumb here}." If you wish to rewrite the meanings of the quran and hadith, it is not "I" you must convince. I know, as do many others here. It is the rest of the islamic world, which you have acknowledge treats you as kafir. Perhaps a religion you didn't have to make excuses for or practice the art of deception with would be more to your liking.
islam = submission it does not = peace and tolerance or any of the other fantasy descriptions fabricated to fool the general masses. That attempt failed, though it is still possible to see a few, every now and again, who didn't get the memo. www.submission.org Perhaps we need an "in denial" meter? On a scale of 1 to 72 virgins, I'd say denial is approaching the 60 virgin level.
Id have to say, that as sad a time in history as it was...those bombs were probably necessary. Its tragic to say that...but the japanese would have gone on for years, its part of there warrior spirit...there idea of honour. They dont lay down easily. Its probably why theyve also never officially apologized either...because that would dishonour there soldiers who died in WW2. Although there Prime Minister said recently it was tragic etc...or words to that effect. In terms of terrorism. I dont think you can see Islamic terrorism being purely driven by a radical view of Islam..there is SOOooo much more at play in the Middle East than purely religion. Theres a whole world of politics at play. For instance, In my view what has gone on over the last 50+ in Palestine is a disgrace, and I firmly side with the creation of a Palistinian state, and the abolishment of the illegal jewish settlements. Settlements which the U.N has tried to rebuke Israel for time and time again only to be thwarted by Israel and its big brother the U.S. This isnt a general U.S bashing btw...Im pro U.S policy in many areas, but the totally one sided support for Israel up until recent times has been disgraceful, and you'd have to say counter to the positions held by much of the rest of the world which remain either neutral or would also like to see these settlements go...particularly in Europe. The Palestians arent stupid...they know who there enemies are, and given the actions of the U.S to continually support what is illegal occupation of Palestinian land...its no surprise they see the U.S as foe rather than friend...or neutral at best. Now that conflict in itself motivates a lot of muslims to confrontation. Many diplomates and political scientists say the Palestinian problem is a major source for radical muslim recruitment, and part of the blame has to be attributed to bad decisions by the West. In particular Britain in the early days who made a series of absolutely stupid decisions driven by Jewish influences within parliament. We've been on shaky ground ever since. Then of course you have Western involvement in Saudi Arabia etc...which depending on who you speak too, or what you read, also seems to be a source for confrontation. What im saying is you cant just look at the religion and say oh its 100% the fault of "Islam", that would be completely wrong assessment in my view. And before someone tries to label me as anti-jewish or whatever..well No im not anti-jewish, nor do I wanna see any further harm come to the jewish people...they suffered enough in persecution in WW2, and under Stalin etc. Thats what amazes me about the Israeli position though...theyve suffered so much over the last couple of hundred years, but they have so little sympathy for a population facing much of what they faced. The irony is surreal.
Couple of hundred? Try a couple of thousand years of being persecuted, occasionally robbed by the government, disrespected and living in fear. You don't wanna see further harm? Well, I don't know why Jews have to be held to a different standard than anything else. I do know some racists in the US who say stuff like "Black people should know better". Israel is constantly threatened and under attack. People live in fear of their own lives and their children's lives. If you want to blame someone, blame the Germans who caused all of this.
They've gotten Billions of Dollars in US tax money and fucked it all up. They bought guns instead of investing into their children's future.
Yup... good point your flashed here... Anyway... there're evil (bad people) in every religion. Please clear your mind and see. You can find it. In christian, buddhist, hindus, jewish, tao or others. You can find here and there in the real world that relates some evil doing that reflect all kind of religion. No just specifically for Muslim people only.
Doesnt change the fact that you have Israeli soldiers killing 10 year old boys..and where not talking about armed 10 year old kids either...I stand by my statement...if any group of people should know what persecution feels like it should be the jewish people..yet look at there reaction to the plight of others...couple hundreds or a couple thousand years..the facts are the same It doesnt change the reality of the present day situation...and years of f***** up foreign policy on the behalf of the U.S, Israel and the lack of balls shown by other countries...has only further cemented the situation there in...There so desperate now theyve elected a terrorist organisation for heavans sake? In saying that I blame Yassar Arafat as well for years of doing stuff all, not managing to keep the terrorists within his own ranks under control. Israel reacts and the whole cycle continues. The fact remains though..how much of this would be going on if Israel wasnt illegally occupy land that is not theirs? Even there own leaders are finally now starting to wake up to a limited degree and starting withdrawel..lets hope that continues. They'll be no palestinian state without it..and no peace either. Not sure what you mean by that...So we dont hold the Israelis to high standard and just let them continue shooting civilians do we?...Im not excusing anyone for there actions, Israeli or Palestinian...just dont be surprised if they continue unless the situation on the ground is resolved. Yup the old leadership failed there people no doubt...now theyve elected a terrorist organisation in desperation..great outcome isnt it. Can you blame the average palestinian for that? I sure dont...I cant imagine living in what amounts to an open air prison day in day out..Id be more worried about getting through the day in once piece than confronting the government or the various militias. You also fail to mention the billions upon billions of money given to Israel over the course of god knows how long...Israel is basically bankrolled by the U.S...thats another reason why they have a vested interested, and a pro Israeli position that up until very recently was without question...Finally Bush is showing some backbone. Read this http://www.counterpunch.org/ruebner02112003.html, its one of a billion articles on the matter Quote "For FY2003, Congress has earmarked more than $2.1 billion for Israel in foreign military financing. Israel will use this money to purchase the American-made weapons it needs to entrench its military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and the U.S. arms industry will get a lump-sum of guaranteed business-a sweetheart deal for all involved." The amount of money flowing from american taxpayers to the Israeli military is mind numbing....and exactly how much of that could be avoided?.
Courtesy of google news: http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m21614&l=i&size=1&hd=0 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85443,00.html http://www.marquettetribune.org/285639801393738.bsp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/16/AR2006031602120.html
Tragic isnt it..always civilians caught in the middle...Its madness. Another case of intelligence gone wrong?
It just goes to show that the self proclaimed good guys do the same things as the bad guys, its just a matter of perspective. If it happens on one side its an accident, but on the other, its cold blooded murder.
Ya the hypocracy runs deep. Not that U.S stands out in particular....hypocracy is a strong trait of just about every government Ive ever seen...present day Australian govenment included btw.