True Muslims???

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True Muslims are peaceful people wishing all the best for this world?

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  3. i don't know

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  1. maldives

    maldives Prominent Member

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    #221
    You must be feeling lucky, since you are an anti-muslim :eek:.
     
    maldives, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #222
    It is so ironic. I was going to add to the end of my post, "I wonder how long it will take before CR makes a futile attempt at adding to the diatribe."

    That's erie... I've got the chills....
     
    Mia, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  3. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    #223
    I seem to have that effect on people.
     
    Crazy_Rob, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  4. Notting

    Notting Notable Member

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    #224
    I'm anti-all-religions. Its backward.
     
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  5. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #225
    I'm not anti-Muslim; I'm anti-asshole.
     
    Will.Spencer, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  6. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    #226
    Well that explains the inferiority complex. ;)
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #227
    Rob is proof that I'm not anti-Muslim.

    I don't like Rob, and he's not a Muslim.

    I don't like Rob because I'm anti-asshole.
     
    Will.Spencer, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  8. bigdoug

    bigdoug Peon

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    #228
    THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS
    AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE

    (Explanation of the
    Third Great Jihad)
    by Larry Abraham

    The war against terror did not begin on September 11, 2001, nor will it
    end with the peaceful transition to civilian authority in Iraq, whenever
    that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger context of
    this encounter, but an important one none the less.

    This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the "Third Great
    Jihad." They are operating within the framework of a time line which
    reaches back to the very creation of Islam in the seventh century and are
    presently attempting to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the
    religion in the first two hundred years of its existence.

    No religion in history grew as fast, in its infancy, and the reasons for
    the initial growth of Islam are not hard to explain when you understand
    what the world was like at the time of Muhammad's death in 632 AD.
    Remember that the Western Roman Empire was in ruins and the Eastern
    Empire, based in Constantinople, was trying desperately to keep the power
    of its early grandeur while transitioning to Christianity as a de facto
    state religion.

    The costs to the average person were large as he was being required to
    meet the constantly rising taxes levied by the state along with the
    tithes coerced by the Church.

    What Islam offered was the "carrot or the sword". If you became a
    convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If
    you didn't, you faced death. The choice was not hard for most to make,
    unless you were a very devoted martyr in the making. At the beginning,
    even the theology was not too hard for most to swallow, considering that
    both Jewry and Christianity were given their due by the Prophet. There is
    but one God-Allah, and Muhammad is His Prophet, as was Jesus, and the
    pre-Christian Jewish prophets of the Torah (Old Testament). Both were
    called "children of the book"-the book being the Koran, which replaced
    both the Old and New Testaments for former Christians and Jews. With this
    practical approach to spreading the "word" Islam grew like wild-fire,
    reaching out from the Saudi Arabian Peninsula in all directions.

    This early growth is what the Muslims call the "First" great Jihad and it
    met with little resistance until Charles Martel of France, the father of
    Charlemagne, stopped them in the battle of Tours in France, after they
    had firmly established Islam on the Iberian Peninsula. This first
    onslaught against the West continued in various forms and at various
    times until Islam was finally driven out of Spain in 1492 at the battle
    of Granada.

    The "Second great jihad" came with the Ottoman Turks. This empire
    succeeded in bringing about the downfall of Constantinople as a Christian
    stronghold and an end to Roman hegemony in all of its forms. The Ottoman
    Empire was Islam's most successful expansion of territory even though the
    religion itself had fractured into warring sects and bitter rivalries
    with each claiming the ultimate truths in "the ways of the Prophet". By
    1683 the Ottomans had suffered a series of defeats on both land and sea
    and the final, unsuccessful attempt to capture Vienna set the stage for
    the collapse of any further territorial ambitions and Islam shrunk into
    various sheikhdoms, emir dominated principalities, and roving tribes of
    nomads.

    However, by this time a growing anti-western sentiment, blaming its
    internal failures on anyone but themselves, was taking hold and setting
    the stage for a new revival known as Wahhabism, a sect which came into
    full bloom under the House of Saud on the Arabian Peninsula shortly
    before the onset of WWI.

    It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion
    itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects,
    especially the Shiites. Wahhabiism calls for the complete and total
    rejection or destruction of anything and everything which is not based in
    the original teachings of The Prophet and finds its most glaring practice
    in the policies of the Afghani Taliban or the Shiite practices of the
    late Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. Its Ali Pasha (Field Marshall) is now
    known as Osama bin Laden, the leader of the "Third Jihad", who is Wahhabi
    as were his 9/11 attack teams, 18 of which were also Saudi.

    The strategy for this "holy war" did not begin with the planning of the
    destruction of the World Trade Center. It began with the toppling of the
    Shah of Iran back in the late 1970¹s. With his plans and programs to
    "westernize" his country, along with his close ties to the U.S. and
    subdued acceptance of the State of Israel, the Shah was the soft target.
    Remember "America Held Hostage"? Thanks, in large part to the
    hypocritical and disastrous policies of the Jimmy Carter's State
    Department, the revolution was set into motion, the Shah was deposed, his
    armed forces scattered or murdered and stage one was complete. The Third
    Jihad now had a base of operations and the oil wealth to support its
    grand design or what they call the "Great Caliphate".

    What this design calls for is the replacement of all secular leadership
    in any country with Muslim majorities. This would include, Egypt, Turkey,
    Pakistan, Indonesia, all the Emirates, Sudan, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria,
    Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Malaysia, Indonesia and finally
    what they call the "occupied territory" Israel.

    As a part of this strategy, forces of the jihad will infiltrate
    governments and the military as a prelude to taking control, once the
    secular leadership is ousted or assassinated. Such was the case in
    Lebanon leading to the Syrian occupation and in Egypt with the murder of
    Anwar Sadat, along with the multiple attempts on the lives of Hussein in
    Jordan, Mubarak of Egypt and Musharraf in Pakistan. Pakistan is a
    particular prize because of its nuclear weapons.

    The long-range strategy of the Third Jihad counts on three strategic
    goals. First, the U.S. withdrawing from the region just as it did in
    Southeast Asia, following Vietnam. Second, taking control of the oil
    wealth in the Muslim countries, which would be upwards to 75% of known
    reserves; third, using nuclear weapons or other WMDs to annihilate
    Israel. A further outcome of successfully achieving these objectives
    would be to place the United Nations as the sole arbiter in East/West
    negotiations and paralyze western resistance, leading to total withdrawal
    from all Islamic dominated countries.

    Evidence of the Bush Administration awareness of this plan is found in
    the events immediately following the 9/11 attack. The administration's
    first move was to shore up Pakistan and Egypt, believing that these two
    would be the next targets for al Qaeda, while Americans focused on the
    disaster in New York. The administration also knew that the most
    important objective was to send a loud and clear message that the U.S.
    was in the region to stay, not only to shore up our allies but to send a
    message to the Jihadists. The attack on Afghanistan was necessary to
    break-up a secure al Qaeda base of operations and put their leadership on
    the run or in prison.

    The war in Iraq also met a very strategic necessity in that no one knew
    how much collaboration existed between Saddam Hussein and the master
    planners of the Third Jihad or Hussein's willingness to hand off WMDs to
    terrorist groups including the PLO in Israel. What was known were serious
    indications of on-going collaboration as Saddam funneled money to
    families of suicide bombers attacking the Israelis and others in Kuwait.
    What the U.S. needed to establish was a significant base of operations
    smack dab in the middle of the Islamic world, in a location which
    effectively cut it in half. Iraq was the ideal target for this and a host
    of other strategic reasons.

    Leadership of various anti-American groups both here and abroad
    understood the vital nature of the Bush initiative and thus launched
    their demonstrations, world-wide, to "Stop The War". Failing this, they
    also laid plans to build a political campaign inside the country, with
    the War in Iraq as a plebiscite, using a little known politician as the
    thrust point-Howard Dean. This helps to explain how quickly the Radical
    Left moved into the Dean campaign with both people and money, creating
    what the clueless media called the "Dean Phenomenon".

    What surprised the Jihadists following the 9/11 attack was how American
    sentiment mobilized around the president and a profound sense of
    patriotism spread across the country. They were not expecting this
    reaction, based on what had happened in the past, nor were they expecting
    the determined resolve of the President himself. I also believe this is
    one of the reasons we have not had any further attacks within our
    borders. They are content to wait, just as one of their tactical mentors;
    V.I. Lenin admonished..."two steps forward, one step back".

    Lastly, we should not expect to see any meaningful cooperation from
    Western Europe, especially the French. Since failing to protect their own
    interests in Algeria (by turning the country over to the first of the
    Arab terrorists, Ammad Ben Bella), the country itself is now occupied by
    Islamic immigrants totaling twenty percent of the population.

    We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for many
    years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are
    facing or falter in the challenge of "knowing our enemy" the results will
    be catastrophic. Imagine a world where al Qaeda regimes control 75% of
    the world's oil, have at their disposal nuclear weapons, legions of
    willing suicide soldiers, and our national survival is dependent on the
    good graces of Kofi Annan and the United Nations.


    "I respectfully dedicate the above to the memory of Pat Tillman and his 872 comrades who by their courage and willing sacrifice set an example for every American. May we be worthy of their "greatest love"

    Larry Abraham
     
    bigdoug, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  9. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #229
    Since you are not a Muslim then what is your excuse? :rolleyes:
     
    gworld, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  10. argyle

    argyle Peon

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    #230
    Anyone who has picked up a book and study the muslim faith will know that they are not evil like alot of "people" portray.
     
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  11. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #231
    Sure, sure, not evil -- except to those who might dare to disagree with them.

    Or, as the Koran says, "Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."
     
    Will.Spencer, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  12. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #232
    I've read the scriptures. I'm surprised people are still trying to willfully deceive others of the violence it contains. Apparently they feel obligated to practice al-taqiyya, as if they are ashamed of it's violent nature. Thank God (not allah) people are wising up!

    The psychological phenomenon known as Cognitive Dissonance seems to rear it's ugly head often.
     
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  13. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #233
    In laymans terms... It's all bullshit!
     
    Mia, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  14. Saha

    Saha Peon

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    #234
    Peace,

    I wasn't trying to be racist, but that is "fact", You can see it yourself on the internet how many people misunderstood "between" Arab and Islam.

    Well, define "islam"...
     
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  15. Saha

    Saha Peon

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    #235
    Well, I can say there are many of them, most of them never covered in CNN..But you can see in many different news channel "outside" US, especially in Asia...Do some research dude....
     
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  16. Saha

    Saha Peon

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    #236
    Can you please show the verse where it says "Mohammed is Allah's apostle"... Thanks :)
     
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  17. Saha

    Saha Peon

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    #237
    Peace,

    Yeah, you have read the scripture...But still never answer my Question and accusing people practising Al-Taqiyya...Smart!

    Anyway, anyone can read.. even the 5 years old kid can claimed that he could read Scripture...Just like reading Einstein theory of relativity...But I wonder how many people can understand..

    :)
     
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  18. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #238
    [SIZE=-1]Sura 48.29.


    [/SIZE]
     
    Will.Spencer, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  19. Saha

    Saha Peon

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    #239
    Peace,

    Oh...If because of terrorism, "Islam" in general in considered evil..How about "Atomic Bombs". War started by those people who called themselves Christians? I guess they killed more people in War than the terrorist...

    Anyway, here is a good reading

    hxxp://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_viol_index.htm
    hxxp://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution/sri-lanka-persecution.html <---Interesting..
    hxxp://www.exchristian.net/ <--wow..this is even better!

    A lot of "sex sex" things yeah...

    You see, I don't have to do this to prove my point, that these things happen in all religion... But now, I have to...
    Enjoy!
     
    Saha, Mar 16, 2006 IP
  20. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #240
    Saha asks question. Will answers Saha's question. Saha is now owned. Saha goes on tangent. Stay tuned Super Friends for our next episode, of WTF???
     
    Mia, Mar 16, 2006 IP