Troops Killed 2 families and 3 year old girl today...

Listen to you. Put pride aside. The tail is in between your legs because Bush put the tail on your ass in the first place. Instead of using diplomacy to resolve and educate he has used brute force to divide; the opposite of what he preached, I don't know if you live in a bubble or not, but there has not been more division between americans since the Vietnam War.

 

Yikes... Another troll. This one is not even mildly entertaining. Yawn.

 

Look if you are not going to post logical debate, what is the point in posting anything?
I would like to make something CRYSTAL clear here for everyone about my position. IF a murder/murders have been committed then you should get revenge/punishment, as it is wrong to murder someone. BUT do NOT expect to get the truth that is what I am saying.

How come the soldiers that were killed in cold blood were legitimate targets yet anyone killed on the other side is not?

I would also like to set out my stall in another way. The Coalition forces wear uniforms, they tell the world who they are, and as such they make targets of themselves. This is NOT a war, in a war BOTH sides wear uniform, and BOTH sides know who the good guys and bad guys are, this PROTECTS the innocents.

Please answer me sensibly without trying to play the pity card, because IMO a one legged man with diabetes dying, is no different to a father of three who is healthy, simply because he was a soldier.

I am NOT defending the soldiers, and unless you accept that, this debate will not roll forward, all I ask is that you read what I say, and answer with honesty.

The use of the suicide bombing tactic sets a dangerous precident, as it is almost impossible to deal with a suspected bomber otherthan to kill them on sight. This inevitably leads to innocent people dying, as in the case of Charles demendez in London.

Let us assume for a moment that the soldiers 'thought' they saw a perpertrator run into the house where all those people were sleeping?
Let's assume that they ran into the house and found many people under blankets. How can they tell if a man has one leg, or a child is a child etc when under covers? this takes away your use of emotion in what should be an emotionless investigation.

QUESTION: are they genuine, or are they hiding? Why, when a massive bomb has gone off yards from their house are they sleeping? Are they terrorists hiding weapons? Are they waiting for enough soldiers to come in before detonating? Are you as a soldier willing to risk your life? or do you open fire in blind panic. The moment one opens fire, everyone will, it is the way of reflex action under stress of war?

OR

did they just witness their comrades get killed and thought, 'someone is having it', run into the nearest house, and carry out a revenge attack?

Assumie for a moment it is not the second, and tell me how YOU would handle the situatin of going into a house where a suspected suicide bomber might be hiding (keeping in mind he is probably rigged to blow).

I await your measured response.

 

If this is a suicide bomber and wants to kill the soldiers then why is he hiding in a house? His goal will be to get as close as possible to soldiers to cause the maximum damage, so your description of situation doesn't make any sense. May be he was insurgent that ran in to a house to hide after an attack and in this case as soldier you must be aware that you are operating in a civilian environment and you should not put civilians in danger. You surrender the house and secure the area. You will ask the people through loud speaker to leave the house and arrest and search everyone who leaves the house to make sure that they are not armed and combatant. after that you will enter the houses and you can shoot as soon as you see someone since you have already done as much as you can to secure the safety of civilians.

War is not an excuse or permission, to kill anybody that you like.

 

So how do you know the intentions of the soldiers?

 

When you start shooting in a house full with civilian and children, you don't have to be a genius to know the intention of the soldiers. May be you are not aware but a bullet passing through a 3 years old child body serves no other purpose than killing the child.

 

Dude it is obvious that you are not digesting what I am posting, it appears you choose to skim read it. You are also repeatedly finishing off your posts with some sort of snide comment, which adds nothing to the debate, other than to inflame a sensitive subject. Your post above in reply to what I posted ended in War is not an excuse or permission, to kill anybody that you like, well if you had read my post you would see that I ALREADY posted that, so throwing it back in my face will only serve to annoy me and tell me that you have not grasped my position. I will only debate things with people who will look at it from a perspective other than their own. I HAVE done this in my posts, but you refuse to do it. As such there is no point in my debating anything with you, so sadly will have to stop.

No more posts on the matter for OWG .

 

Most american soldiers are friendly. Also, you have to take in note the phsycological pressure these people have. They have to take many fast decisions.

 

How well was diplomacy working since the end of the first gulf war? Wasn't there an oil for food scandal, wasn't saddam firing missiles at allied aircraft during this time period. Where is the point at which diplomacy was succeeding?

 

Because he is a coward and a thug.

 

And they are well known to hide behind women and children while attacking our forces, without uniforms.

 

I don't think that there is a uniform for 3 years old children.

 

When did he start using words like "kids"... where is Gtech?

Hmmm... seems your optimistic (looney) opinions of Iraq's "progress" aren't shared by most people... who would have guessed

 

FYI- the Iraq War is no longer being referred to as a "war".

It's now "the Liberation of Iraq".

At least according to Dubya.

 

"the Liberation of Iraq" is retarded. If the goal was to liberate the Iraqis from Saddam---isnt it "Mission Accomplished" and time to call it a day?

 

Which is why they shouldn't be hiding behind them.

 

Does that change how you will sell your country out in the future?

 

We have to liberate them from themselves

 

"Selling out"...that's a good way to describe exactly what Bush is doing.

WHOLESALE!

 

Yeah, because leaving them to take on the likes of zarqawi and terrorists is the humane thing to do. Helping them form their own police and armies to defend themselves from others is just rediculous. Helping them build their country, open schools and hospitals and other infrastructures is just unpatriotic

We've done our job, let the terrorists take over the country and destabilize the entire region. That's the ticket!