Tribute to Ronald Reagan Video

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  1. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Bueller? Links? Its amazing you can through that stuff out like its gospel without a shred of backing. You might as well say the moon is made of green cheese and leave it there.

    Try Iraq's invasion of Iran. Try Iran's student revolution(you remember, our embassy held hostage for over a year, until Reagan got them out?). Try Peak Oil alarmists and environmentalists killing off state side production of oil. Try an OAPEC oil production embargo.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_energy_crisis
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921854-2,00.html

    If paranoia brought down Nixon, incompetence brought down Carter. They are both equally failed presidents. As a reminder, we are only talking about Carter because you introduced a graph citing statistics that Carter was in some way a better president than Reagan. Perhaps next you will show us a graph comparing high school records and which of these presidents had a better time on the quarter mile as further evidence of Reagan's failure?

    "Do I look like Mrs. Obama?"

    Why do certain people assume their reading audience is stupid?
     
    Obamanation, Nov 25, 2009 IP
  2. willybfriendly

    willybfriendly Peon

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    Nah, we're talking about Carter because you have chosen to go there rather than deal with the unsunstainable myth of raygun.

    The data I provided simply put Mia's job creation claims (re raygun) into some historical perspective. You are the one that made the claims about Carter.

    Regarding the 1979 energy crisis, the "overall loss in production was about 4 percent." (Your wiki source)

    Also from your wiki source:

    (You really should read your own sources. This is not the first time you have crossed yourself up.)

    I have no idea what your reference to OAPEC is, but if you mean OPEC, that embargo was 6 years earlier. In fact, OPEC increased production after of Iran's precipitous decrease in wake of the revolution. Again, you should read your sources.
     
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  3. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    I'd like to say the feeling is mutual, but the reality is this is how I amuse myself when I am bored!
     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    and?

    No, I meant OAPEC who was in part to blame for the 73 oil crisis which you laid 100% of the blame at Nixon's feet. Apparently the oil producing Arabs didn't like the way Israel summarily kicked Egypt and Syria's ass, after their surprise attack on Israel, and cut oil production 5% monthly until the Israelis pulled out of Arab countries.

    Regarding the 1979 crisis, I left out a link including the chronology which verifies what I had stated earlier:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_world_oil_market_chronology

    Important to look at the chart and note the the price of oil skyrocketed at data point 13(The Iranian Revolution), followed shortly there after with a 14% OPEC imposed price hike.

    Carter responded by removing regulations restraining oil output and regulating price in the United States, however in his wisdom, his changes would not have been phased in till October of 1981. Of course this did nothing but accelerate the already skyrocketing price of oil. His response was to put a wood burning stove in the White House.

    Lets also not forget about the Carter handling of the US Embassy in Iran which did nothing to help the market. On January 20, 1981, 20 minutes after Reagan was sworn in as President, the American hostages were released by Iran into U.S. custody. On Jan 28th, Reagan immediately enacted in full force the deregulation of our oil industry and presto, oil crisis over. Even the Arabs started selling their oil to the US again.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_oil_glut

    All I can say is, at least I provide links.

    Perhaps there is something we can thank Carter for. He gave us the Carter Doctrine:
    No question it was as a building block for the Bush Doctrine which was used as justification for the Iraq invasion.

    I know the truth doesn't fit your "Ideal" view of history, but it is nevertheless, the truth.
     
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