Tribute to Ronald Reagan Video

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by zigzag007, Nov 21, 2009.

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  2. willybfriendly

    willybfriendly Peon

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    Good old Ronald Raygun

    Zap!!!

    Did you live through the great recessions caused by Reaganomics? Gives new meaning to the words, "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you..."

    History will judge - already is as a matter of fact:



    That is NOT Georgy Porgie. It is Ronnie Baby

    One could argue pursuasively that RR's policies lay at the core of today's problems with immigration from Latin America:

     
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    zigzag007 Active Member

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    ^I know a LIBERAL when I see one.
     
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    Colbyt Notable Member

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    Zigzag. Thank you for sharing that.

    willy you should add up 11 months of Prez O before you spout off. Make the Regan $ look like change, which is about all any of us will have when congress is through. Pocket chanhe that is.
     
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    willybfriendly Peon

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    Pocket Cheney. I like it;)

    Where in my post do you see support for budget deficits that exceed 25% of GDP?
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Willy, I like your quotes without sources. Mind you, had you posted your sources, your quotes are still statements of opinion without any substantiating facts. That said, those types of arguments are EXACTLY what people need, expect, and want from their news outlets, friends, and leadership. I want to thank you for posting them.

    BTW, check out this tripe I stumbled across... can you believe the gall?

     
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    willybfriendly Peon

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    Did you follow the link?

    BTW, the conclusions drawn may be opinions, but the facts are laid out pretty succinctly.

    Record deficits
    Debt doubled
    Slowest growth since WWII
    Income gains to top 1-2%
    Stagnate median wages
    Summarily dismissed 12,000 striking air traffic controllers - an unheard of response at that time

    Add to that the measurable impacts on South American economies.

    Oh, oh, let's not forget Iran/Contra
     
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    Zibblu Guest

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    Reagan was actually a truly awful President and most of the problems of today can be traced directly back to his administration.

    I highly recommend reading the book TEAR DOWN THIS MYTH to better understand what Reagan actually did as President and how what he did then effects us today.
     
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    Reseg Peon

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    Oh, the unbiased book "Tear Down This Myth" written by Will Bunch. An author that only cares about the truth, not just one point of view from a liberal perspective - OHHH NOOO of course not! The same author who refuses to even acknowledge any corruption within ACORN and instead spends his energy pointing out the corrupt right-wing media like Fox News who was surely behind this uncalled for image bashing of ACORN! http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/The_real_reason_they_hope_ACORN_fails.html?

    I'm so surprised Zibblu of all people would enjoy a book from this author!
     
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    willybfriendly Peon

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    Did you read the article you posted to?

    Does this story really support your assertion? I think not...
     
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    Reseg Peon

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    I think it does. He's making excuses for corruption refusing to even address the possibility of it being a corrupt organization. The article is a bitch session about right wing media trying to push off the clear corruption as structural flaws and a need for reform just as your quote said.

    From that article, one with a level head can easily predict his position on Reagan or ANY recent Republican President.

    Go ahead, call me a racist for putting a period at the end of my sentence.
     
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    willybfriendly Peon

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    He has clearly fingered corrupt individuals within the organization.

    By your logic we would conclude almost any company, government, political party or other organization was corrupt, i.e. judge the whole by the actions of the few. The Republican party is corrupt. Look at the Abramhoff scandal for proof, or Watergate (the latter of which proves that the Republican party has been corrupt for over 30 years!!). The Demcratic Party is corrupt. Look at Daly and Chicago for proof. The Boy Scouts are corrupt. Look at all the pedophiles. Christians are corrupt - see all the disgraced pastors, evangalists and priests!

    The point of the article was to point out the strained logic that dismissed an entire organization (at least in part via selective reporting) based on the actions of a few. And yes, Faux News did fail to report that some ACORN workers had actually called police on the Faux pimp and prostitute.

    Broad brushstrokes are often a sign of either small minds or hidden agendas.
     
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    Reseg Peon

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    Just like some people think Fox News is an arm of the Republican party, I think ACORN is a dirty hand of the Democrats used to game the system and farm votes in the name of "good" to keep people from challenging them. They've had so many call outs and nothing would stick to them. It took something this extreme with video PROOF to show corrupt dealings and get our tax dollar flow to them stopped. Hey, just my opinion, sorry you don't agree. You could always take the route you took last time and just call me a racist.

    Do I think every company and organization is corrupt? No, but I think much of the human population has the potential to participate in immoral/illegal acts given the situation and setting. If you have to ask yourself if the Dems and Repubs are corrupt, just look at the horse trading, backroom deals, and earmarks they push for to benefit themselves and their local votes and campaign funds. Most aren't even attempted to be hidden from those looking because they know nobody can touch them. Then there's tax evasion, sex scandals, and illegal payoffs. Way too many to just say a few. Sure there are good people there just as there are good people in ACORN, but ACORN, just like our government hasn't been kept in check well enough and, well, the result has been corruption.
     
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    willybfriendly Peon

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    Still chewing on the brownie comment?

    We tend to see what we look for. Of course there is corruption all around, but there is good as well.

    ACORN has received, what, $53 million or so of govt funds. That, my friend, is peanuts. Not a drop compared to Halliburton (for example). Let's see, they got well over 2.5 BILLION after they gave their CEO a $36 million severance package so he could become Vice President.

    Sorry, but I don't even put ACORN into the same class...
     
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    Now imagine if one of Halburton's tasks was the registration of new voters...
     
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    From my above quoted source:

     
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    willybfriendly Peon

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    Worthy of a separte response.

    have you ever looked closely at voting machine companies?

    Now, that is scary.

    Why worry about registering voters when you can play directly with the ballots?
     
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  18. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #18
    You kinda left out a few things:

    Most prosperous time in American History
    End of Cold War
    Economic policies stimulated the economy
    Created 17 million new jobs.
    Cut Black unemployment in HALF
    Family income rose 12%
    Reformed taxes giving people the incentive to save and invest
    Inflation DECREASED to 4%
    Responsible for the longest peace time in the history of our nation
    No countries fell to Communism under Reagan, instead several communist countries fell
    Rebuilt our broken and weakened military
    Return to traditional values and family
    Religious freedom restored
    Cut federal funding of abortions
    Strengthened education

    Prior to that (since you are obviously too young to remember)

    7 Million Americans were out of work
    We were on the verge of a major recession
    Non of our military equipment worked, or was maintained
    Our military morale and leadership was diminished
    We were all told to live on less and asked to suffer
    Inflation was at its worst in 60 years
    The inflation rate was 13%
    Family income dropped
    Americans Taxes were the highest in history
    Instead of standing up for ourselves and America we talked about disarmament
    3 countries fell to communism under Carter as a result of our unwillingness to negotiate.
    Americans were told they could no longer pray in school even though the US Supreme Court and Congress began their sessions with prayer
    We lost our moral compass
    We lost our edge on technology
    government regulation and taxes were at an all time high

    Be honest next time and look at the entire picture. Considering what we had, what we went through to get away from it, in the end it was well worth it.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories. Voting machines, like slot machines, are the easiest thing in the world to regulate and verify. You take a random sampling in sufficient size to be statistically applicable, run your checks, compare real results to expected results, and you will instantly know if you have an issue. Usability testing with name placement on ballot screens is equally easy to test.

    The premise of your site is based on where these people are getting their funding from, but rich people who fund companies are also people, often with political opinions and agendas of their own. We manage to keep Vegas machines in compliance with the law, even though their owners would love the machines to pay more than they already do, voting machines will likely be no different.
     
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    Not enough time to respond to all of your claims, but this does deserve a response.

    Most prosperous time in American History - Depends on hoy you define prosperity. Gains to the wealthiest 1-2% while median income remained stagnant. Yeah, that could be considered prosperity I suppose.

    Created 17 million new jobs. - Let's put that in perspective.

    From Bureau of Labor statistics:

    Job Growth Per Year Under Most Recent Presidents

    Johnson 3.8%
    Carter 3.1
    Clinton 2.4
    Kennedy 2.3
    Nixon 2.3
    Reagan 2.1
    Bush 0.6

    (Not a stellar performance by any measure)

    Reformed taxes giving people the incentive to save and invest - Savings rates dropped precipitously under Reagan, as can be seen here. The tax reforms were late in coming and only effected the top marginal rates.

    Responsible for the longest peace time in the history of our nation - Depends on how one defines "peace". US military actions occured with disturbing frequency throughout the decade - El Salvador, Libya, Lebanon, Grenada, Honduras, Chad, Persian Gulf, Panama, etc. Probably more than we were ever aware of given that Reagan felt justified in illegal covert operations best exemplified by the Iran-Contra affair.

    I will, for now, ignore some of the hot button issues you listed such as abortion and religious "freedom".
     
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