My experience so far leads me to the following conclusion: traffic is an important variable in determining PageRank. Anyone dispute this?
well usually getting traffic means that you also have links pointing to your site. Not sure if there is a site with massive traffic that is just out there on its own, unless of course advertising campaigns. Also, it could be like one of my sites pr0, 4000 uniques, but its not really true pr since it used to be pr5 and got banned by google.
If anything I would say it's the other way around, pagerank leads to traffic, rather than traffic leads to pagerank.
I'm not so sure of that statement. I've gained A LOT of traffic because of my pagerank. If my Pagerank hadn't been so high, I wouldn't rank nearly as well on Google and I wouldn't be visited nearly as many times. I do agree that Pagerank is not based on traffic, but I think pagerank helps influence traffic quite a bit. While MSN and other search engines do not depend on Pagerank like Google does, Pagerank helps in SERPs for sites/pages which generate the traffic through that organic search ranking.
I'm talking toolbar PR. Of course there's a "page rank" calculation used in determining the serps but it's not something any webmaster or person outside of Google has access too. Everytime someone asks the "PR influences traffic?" question they are talking about toolbar PR. Case in point, I have multiple sites with a toolbar PR 0 that get hundreds and hundreds of visitors a day from the organic serps.
Fsmedia, i think what he tried to say, is that there is no technical correlation between Pagerank and traffic. Pagerank does not depend or get calculated by traffic, or vice-versa.
I would agree also. Having high traffic may be due to many backlinks and good serps. Of course, more backlinks = more pr. Go get a brand new or old and dead site, get one PR9 backlink and see what kinda traffic you get from it. You'll figure it out then.
I agree with that. It's more of a social correlation rather than a technical correlation. The higher up in SERPs you are, the more likely you are to get 'hit'. But again you both are correct in that aspect, there is no direct correlation.
Haha, it was a mutual inclusional agreement where all parties agreed to similar yet different terms on the same basis.
Can someone make a script, so that all the nice threads get bookmarked in every visitor's bookmarks ?
I think there is some confusion here by my use of the work PageRank. I'm not talking about the 'tool bar' results. I am talking about the position you attain on the SERP. My belief is that Google looks to see how much traffic you are getting (whereever it is that they place you) and then if your 'doing well' you can get advanced. I've seen it in Adwords. They don't say its part of their 'quality' criterion, but it is. I also think its part of their positioning on the SERP. I agree its a little like a cat chasing its tail. The higher your position, up to a point, the more traffic you get. But at some point you end up with higher traffic sites above you and lower below. Now that's a little simplistic because it is only one factor. Links is another, keyword score another and God only knows what else. I do not believe even with high link popularity, good keyword 'score' and not much traffic (because your message doesn't look all the relevant), that you will see yourself high on the Results page. Does this help with the confusion. The word PageRank refers to two things that are not the same.
No, not at all. If you're using the term the pagerank as a synonym for search results placement....well...that's just not the right terminology. Define pagerank. That's the PR we were talking about. Traffic (high or low) does not effect your pagerank, at all.
But how would they know if my site didn't have adsense on them? But, yes sites higher in the serps usually have more traffic, though that's because they're high in the serps
Also what would stop anyone from buying mass ammounts of traffic from sources. The theroy is very flawed. But an interesting one none the less. Brad
Once not so long ago I had a parked domain that got a few hits a day and happened to be PR6 for a couple of months. Now it's back to N/A