Top Democrat held to account for treasonous comments

I'll settled down, Rob

You know I'm passionate about our country. More so than some.

 

Is that "I'll settle down, Rob" or "I've settled down, Rob"????

You are a passionate man, no doubt.....no doubt

 

that would be an extra "d"

 

Fantastic posts Earl! It's nice to see other self-aware patriots taking notice and working to inform people that the basic system of checks and balances has been totally overridden by a corrupt and fascist executive branch.

There is nothing treasonous about questioning the government, especially policy.

Hopefully we can get Ron Paul elected, and he will follow through on bringing the system back into balance.

 

I'll agree Rob. GTech is very passionate. And a great kisser!

 

Murtha wasn't questioning his government. He was openly accusing Marines in a time of war of something they have since been found innocent of. Doing so in the media is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. It was wrong, he should apologize and should resign.

But, it doesn't surprise me that some would be so dishonest, as to suggest it was nothing more than "questioning their government." That seems to be a popular, yet most often untruthful, catch phrase of the day.

 

GTech:

When folks start labeling members of Congress as treasonous, and specifically members of Congress, like Murtha, who has one of the longest records in Congress for focusing on the good of the military and supporting the troops.

More relevantly virtually all members of Congress on both sides recognize his long history in supporting the troops.

So when one starts calling someone with a long history of support of the military as a traitor or treasonous....that name caller moves himself out of the room of reasonable debate.

As to the trials of soldiers in Haditha, Abu Ghraib, and the ones that occurred in Vietnam; I think they are painful expressions of Americans trying to maintain a higher moral standard in the midst of war. They are complex situations that cause me nothing but pain. However they are adjudicated, whatever were the real consequences of the events or accusations, whatever happened to Iraqi's (currently) or Vietnamese 30-40 years ago....I always feel badly for the American soldiers who are accused. I always think that it is too bad that they ran into those circumstances and are subject to a noble system that historically holds it soldiers to a higher moral plane than that of the enemy. I personnally wouldn't want to sit on any of those juries or be a judge in one of those cases. I think I would suffer too much conflict. But if I had to I'd do it and try to act with integrity.

In that Murtha opened his big mouth and injected himself into one of the most delicate scenarios, wherein Americans try and levitate ourselves above enemies that would admittedly kill and behead children, etc. etc. and proclaimed his belief that those guys were guilty so be it.

I can imagine he is one tormented guy seeing the military that he has supported for so many decades (not years) being misused, weakened, not well supported, etc.

He expressed himself.

Only someone on the extreme takes personal expression and twists it into an accusation of treason.

Frankly, in the eyes of the majority its crazy. It is symptomatic of how Nixon went from winning to elections and having a majority of the population supporting him to now being seen historically as one of the worst president's ever. It is symptomatic at how Bush went from being hugely supported after 9/11 to now being widely disbelieved and not supported by a majority of the American public.

Those crazy kinds of accusations turn around and bite you on the ars.

While I find the current policies and actions of the Bush administration terrible I'm in agreement with the administration and with others in the American population and in office who view fundamentalist Islamic extremism manifested both by terrorists and dangerous nations as an extreme danger that must be confronted.

How that is done would be better accomplished, imho, if the administration opened its eyes and interactions with others who share those perceptions.

That would accomplish a lot more than labeling people as traitors, treasonous, liars, etc.

 

I shouldn't have laughed at that, but I did.

 

Whether or not Murtha owns up, steps down, whatever, the damage to his reputation is now irrevokable. He will go down in history not for his years of support for the military, but rather for his unseamly and unwarranted attack of them during a time of war. Words can't express my level of outrage nor the depths of his dispicability and that of other democrats like him who would place are soldiers in greater jeopardy in order to achieve political gain.