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tom delay indicted

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by ferret77, Sep 28, 2005.

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  2. dvduval

    dvduval Notable Member

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    I'm happy to see some attempt to go after these people who think they can do just about anything, because they are friends with the political donor class. Remember, there is also another major scandal involving is sale of stock based on insider information. It reflects the current ruling party's strategy of winning at all costs, regardless of ethics or the law.
     
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    nevetS Evolving Dragon

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    Tom Delay is one of the most powerful men in the country. Even a guilty verdict will not do much to him. The Fitz and Delay scandals are newsworthy, but I don't think either of them will get anything beyond a slap on the wrist.

    Usually the ethics committee just says "Stop it Tom, we don't want to see you here again". Granted, it's now an issue for the courts, but he'll come out if it with very little harm other than a juicy headline for a few days.

    Fitz didn't do anything that anybody else in America wouldn't have done. He dumped stock in a company run by his father and brother before it crashed. The ownership was held in a Blind Trust and he dumped health stocks categorically, so they'll have trouble proving their case.

    Delay on the other hand is a master fundraiser who is always getting fingers pointed at him. He crosses the line regularly, but the things they catch him on are things like "you can't say that at a fundraiser" and "you didn't file this donation correctly". This time, he accepted donations, formed a PAC, and pushed the donations to an RNC department and told them how to distribute the funds (to other republican candidates). It's a complicated conspiracy that's going to fall apart if they miss just one piece of the puzzle. Grand Jury indictments are easy if you really want them. When you have opposing counsel, stricter rules of evidence, and you can't badger the jury, things get a lot more difficult. The indictment legally forces Delay to temporarily step down as majority leader, and it will keep him out of the post for the better part of a year. That's more than likely the end goal.
     
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    He was the guy who had the ethics commity changed so that you needed a majority vote to even investigate ehtics complaints. Real piece of work.

    He had also been involved with child labor in forign countries. Come to find out he had a stake in the companies he was suppose to be checking out.

    What a a55bag...
     
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    just another politician to add to the list of a55bags, not too many left that aren't on my list heh
     
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    I saw that coming from a mile away. Let's see what happens at the trial.
     
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    nevets wrore:
    ABSOLUTELY!
    It is called insider trading, and he dumped stock in HCA 12 days before the reports were released to the stockholders that they wouldn't meet their profit objectives and predictions. He is a scum, just like the whole admin, from Bush on down.

    I almost fliiped this morning! I was waiting for Frist to get indicted, but saw DELAY!!! :eek:))))))

    He is the sickest person I have evr reaed about in office. Delay said that the "supreme court is out of control. Congress can't tell us what to do"

    That is a lawmaker? He doesn't even understand the US constituion, and he is contemptuous of it?

    He is the one that flipped the most over Terry Schiavo.

    Frist is the doctor that pronounced Terry Schiavo had a fully functioning brain in her head when he argued against taking her of feeding. Of course you all know that her brain had died ands shrunk to %50 of its normal size?

    I pray that the floodgates are finally, finally open. There are investigations going on right now nor only Frist and the Lobbyists, but Delay - this is so funny it is sad.
    Delay was indicted because he took 150,000 dollars (and 200,000 in another) in illegal contributions for his re-election.
    His first words today were about 'the Dems are mad because I got re-elected,,,'
    What a moron of gigantic proportions.

    No, nevetS, the whole administration is slimy and corrupt, and the whole world knows it. What do you think the approval ratings will be for Bush and Neocon next months? They are already at historically low levels, and I can see them dropping to less than 20 percent. That would be the worst in history for a seving admin.

    OPkay, the ongoing investigations: Delay, Frist, Valerie Plame: Rove, Bolten, Cheney all the cheifs of staff, etc - big enough for you, nevetS? Rove or Bolton will roll on this one for sure:

    Not bad, eh nevetS????????????

    64 Congressional and senate investigations. What a slimy, corrupt bunch.
     
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    Here, I just found this:

    JOSH MARSHALL
    JOSH MARSHALL

    Hey, let's not forget that it was just uncovered that between 1 and 1.8 billion dollars was scammed from the Iraq programm for rebuilding. You thinks heads are going to roll? It is 100% US Army and contractor managed.

    Let's not forget this: It has come out this morning that emergency aid was not provided for New Orleans paris (the whole city)
    Brown claimed that the governer did not request it for there, and two other parishes.

    He, on further questioning, said he remembers the shock everyone felt upon reading this, and all emergency funding that was requested was okaqyed.

    That is a startling confession, especially when the transcript of the emergency funding request was shown, complete with specific requests for the whole stats of Louisianna!!!!!!

    What a fricking bold faced liar!

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    nevetS, here is a good one!
    and
    What a stand-up guy, Delay.
    ""These charges have no basis in the facts or the law. This is just another example of Ronnie Earle misusing his office for partisan vendettas. Despite the clearly political agenda of this prosecutor, Congressman DeLay has cooperated with officials throughout the entire process. Even in the last two weeks, Ronnie Earle himself had acknowledged publicly that Mr. DeLay was not a target of his investigation. However, as with many of Ronnie Earle's previous partisan investigations, Ronnie Earle refused to let the facts or the law get in the way of his partisan desire to indict a political foe.""

    Watch the videa here where Delay graciously admits he will co-operate fully in the legal process:
    DeLay indicted, steps down as majority leader

    I just do not get how that child porn watching crack dealer Ronnie Earle can get away with this, eh nevetS? Somebody will call him on it soon, I imaginge. The fact that 12 of his 15 indictments are against Democrats just proves he is out to get Delay - I would go so far as to say it is his sole purpose in life, eh nevetS?

    So, is Tom Delay the biggest crybaby in the history of scum, or what? nevets?

    nevetS said:
    Easy, nevets, take it easy. Delay would spit on you if you got in his way.
     
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    nevetS Evolving Dragon

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    Wow. A canadian all worked up over this :)

    Tom Delay is not a bad guy. He's powerful.

    A PAC that he formed accepted 155K in donations, then in turn made a 190K donation to the RNC. That in and of itself is not a problem. The problem arises because the donation was made within 60 days of an election AND they can prove that Tom Delay dictated where the money went after that - which they say they can do at this point, but like I said, there's a difference between a trial and a grand jury indictment.

    Delay will get through this, and I can pretty much guarantee he will get re-elected. I seriously doubt that it will even get to trial - the indictment pulls him from the position of HML for the time being - which was the goal of this entire process.

    Fitz has been holding that stock for years - all the while with people complaining that it's a conflict of interest. He sells it and he's up on charges. Believe it or not Insider Trading happens every day. We're not talking Ivan Boesky here.

    There's no new news happening.

    Were this a democratic senate, things would be different. But you're talking about taking down the House Majority Leader and one of the strongest republican fundraisers in history. He's not going down.
     
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    So, stick to the topic. I am Canadian, I have American friends. The US government stic ks their nose where it don't belong all the time, Rice was just in Haiti yesterday telling them how to do trhings. It is embarassing and many countries tell her to back the f off. It ain't like the US gets any respect, nevetS, and the GOP sure as hell doesn't.
    Chaves went to Washington last week, and called Bush a liar. In public, at a press conference.

    You're sick little group od twistoids have destroyed 200 years of US integrity, but luckily everyone will respect the US again if you get riad of the corruption.
    I may be from Canada, but that puts me in the best position of anyone to see what is going on. I am basically lebertarian, and so is your constitution. Tjhat is what makes your country great, it is the only one. Except, not anymore.

    If my points aren't valid, feel free to disaprove them, nevetS.

    Like I said, nevetS, four months ago. Four months ago. What do you say to
    That's in the Boston Globe, hey?



    nevetS said:
    I will remind you for ever if you are wrong. You do not know.

    He took donations straight from
     
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    Here you go, nevetS, breaking news:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/28/delay-distorts-role/

    It is like: He is already foldfing like the weak kneed little child he is.

    Let's here that one again, nevetS:
    That’s TRMPAC. That’s not me…I was simply, along with four other elected officials, on an advisory board. They used my name as headliners for fundraisers and I had no idea what they were doing.
     
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    So, did he forget that it is just a sick personal vendette by Roy Earle already? It is all fabricated, a smear?
     
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    Cheez, this guy just got out in time:

    David Safavian, U.S. procurement czar
    David Safavian didn't have much hands-on experience in government contracting when the Bush Administration tapped him in 2003 to be its chief procurement officer.

    A law-school internship helping the Pentagon buy helicopters was about the extent of it. Yet as administrator of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy, Safavian, 38, was placed in charge of the $300 billion the government spends each year on everything from paper clips to nuclear submarines, as well as the $62 billion already earmarked for Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts.

    It was his job to ensure that the government got the most for its money and that competition for federal contracts -- among companies as well as between government workers and private contractors--was fair. It was his job until he resigned on September 16 and was subsequently arrested and charged with lying and obstructing a criminal investigation into Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff's dealings with the Federal Government.

    Safavian spent the bulk of his pregovernment career as a lobbyist, and his nomination to a top oversight position stunned the tightly knit federal procurement community.

    A dozen procurement experts interviewed by TIME said he was the most unqualified person to hold the job since its creation in 1974. Most of those who held the post before Safavian were well-versed in the arcane world of federal contracts.

    "Safavian is a good example of a person who had great party credentials but no substantive credentials," says Danielle Brian, executive director of the Project on Government Oversight, a nonprofit Washington watchdog group. "It's one of the most powerful positions in terms of impacting what the government does, and the kind of job -- like FEMA director -- that needs to be filled by a professional."



    Let's keep our eyes on this Gottlieb guy:Financial ties to the drug industry


    Gottlieb's financial ties to the drug industry were at one time quite extensive. Upon taking his new job, he recused himself for up to a year from any deliberations involving nine companies that are regulated by the FDA and "where a reasonable person would question my impartiality in the matter."

    Among them are Eli Lilly, Roche and Proctor & Gamble, according to his August 5 "Disqualification Statement Regarding Former Clients," a copy of which was obtained by TIME. Gottlieb, though, insists that his role at the agency is limited to shaping broad policies, such as improving communication between the FDA, doctors and patients, and developing a strategy for dealing with pandemics of such diseases as flu, West Nile virus and SARS.

    Would he ever be involved in determining whether an individual drug should be on the market? "Of course not," Gottlieb told TIME. "Not only wouldn't I be involved in that ... But I would not be in a situation where I would be adjudicating the scientific or medical expertise of the [FDA] on a review matter. That's not my role. It's not my expertise. We defer to the career staff to make scientific and medical decisions."

    Behind the scenes, however, Gottlieb has shown an interest in precisely those kinds of deliberations. One instance took place on September 15, when the FDA decided to stop the trial of a drug for multiple sclerosis during which three people had developed an unusual disorder in which their bodies eliminated their blood platelets and one died of intracerebral bleeding as a result.

    In an e-mail obtained by TIME, Gottlieb speculated that the complication might have been the result of the disease and not the drug. "Just seems like an overreaction to place a clinical hold" on the trial, he wrote.

    An FDA scientist rejected his analysis and replied that the complication "seems very clearly a drug-related event."
     
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    There's definitely an angry tone in your comments. I'm not some blind guy who re-iterates everything Rush Limbaugh spits out. I'm certainly open to criticizing this or any other administration. I would be happier if they went after congressman for their drunk driving escapades, or for more eggregious acts of campaign finance fraud which are rampant from local city elections all the way up the food chain. Or if they went after just one politician who openly sells votes. (well, they did go after Gray Davis, but if that wasn't an obviously politically charged maneuver I don't know what is)

    I'm not going to try this case in the forum - I certainly don't have access to any of the facts of the case. I do know that Tom DeLay is not a bad guy. He's not the evil corrupt politician that people frame him to be. He's an excellent fundraiser, and a very powerful politician - probably one of the most powerful Representatives in history.

    I can tell you that he will have an excellent legal team. I can tell you that getting a grand jury indictment is very easy if you really want to get one. I can tell you that he will have a solid defense and the chances of a conviction are small, and even if convicted he will not receive a harsh punishment and will very likely be re-elected.

    Taking down a figure like Tom DeLay is going to take a much bigger scandal.
     
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    Okay, I am very angry about the US admin these days.

    You are, though, to me, a web designer developer who most likely knows more than me, and most likely is a good person. Anything anyone says in these 'heated' discussions, I don't take anything personally or mean it - it is just the heat of the moment, as far as I am concerned.

    I will try to review my posts better and be aware of how I sound more - maybe learn to show some respect for others!:eek:

    I still want to talk about Delay, but I will come back another time.

    It looks good to not overreact and get emotional, and you kick my ass in that department!

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    I have been seeing all over the place everyone says about how you could get a ham sandwich indicted It will be up to a jury now, however. I think so, anyways.

    Delay has been officially warned three times already, starting in 1999, for ethics violations. One of them was when he killed an important bill to get back at a lobby group. That is a serious abuse of power, and that's why I get irate.
     
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    He is a real angel aboard the Good Ship Lollypop:


    nevetS said I certainly don't have access to any of the facts of the case. I do know that Tom DeLay is not a bad guy. He's not the evil corrupt politician that people frame him to be.




    The 'Hammer' gets hit - CBS News


    Here is a summary of newspapers: Stop. Hammer Time.
     
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    Buying of News by Bush's Aides Is Ruled Illegal

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 30 - Federal auditors said on Friday that the Bush administration violated the law by buying favorable news coverage of President Bush's education policies, by making payments to the conservative commentator Armstrong Williams and by hiring a public relations company to analyze media perceptions of the Republican Party.

    In a blistering report, the investigators, from the Government Accountability Office, said the administration had disseminated "covert propaganda" in the United States, in violation of a statutory ban.

    ...........................

    The report also sharply criticized the Education Department for telling Ketchum Inc., a public relations company, to pay Mr. Williams for newspaper columns and television appearances praising Mr. Bush's education initiative, the No Child Left Behind Act.

    When that arrangement became public, it set off widespread criticism. At a news conference in January, Mr. Bush said: "We will not be paying commentators to advance our agenda. Our agenda ought to be able to stand on its own two feet."

    But the Education Department has since defended its payments to Mr. Williams, saying his commentaries were "no more than the legitimate dissemination of information to the public."


    The New York Times

    Are they crazy? Why else should someone praise this government, if they are not getting paid for? :confused: :rolleyes:
     
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    Dems dont get your hopes up.

    This story will be fade because:

    a. the American people just don't care about funneled funds or who sold what stock when or which CIA name was leaked. Stained dresses or hotel break-ins make much more captivating headlines.

    b. The wheels of justice turn slowly. Initialy there is a huuuuuuge media frenzy with both sides duking it on TV, the internet, radio, the paper and then a long lull as the investigation ginds on. After all, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Unless it is very obvious as in the Nixon case or Clinton case, these may never be a resolution. At that point, people including the prosecution simply stop caring.
     
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    It is still moving... The thing I hate about this the most is that these are the people who push for conservative values targeting the christian supporters. then to find out they are just a wolf in sheeps clothing.

    What does jesus think about screwing people over in his name?



     
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