That coincides with who had the most money to loose by going to war with saddam: http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm In fact, it coicides rather well. No wonder they didn't want to go to war. What corrupt country in it's right mind would give up so much, not to mention the added oil-vouchers that were handed out like candy on Halloween. Saddam very much had a role in terrorism. He paid families of suicide bombers. Then there are the connections to the OKC bombing here and many others, including Zarqawi who was in Iraq before the war began. Or have we forgotten about the Jordon bomb plot with 20 tons of wmd that Zarqawi was behind. Gee, I bet those WMD were picked right off the WMD fruit trees somewhere.
then please explain to me why nations like Germany and France have been so obsessed with talking bad about Americans for about the past 30 years. No matter who was President. No matter what was going on. It has been like that the whole time thru. The current political situation is just another excuse to have something bad to say. Honestly, Mik, I do not care and nobody should what the media in those countries sells to their people. being anti American brings ratings ... it is sick but very very true. If you think it is time to start reasoning, where was that time when ppl try to diss us? I am not one bit impressed by France and their effort to look like the peacemaker of the world. Hasn't their government been bribed by Saddam? It is so funny how everyone expects us to keep smiling when bad things are being done to us. Everyone expects Jews to be good victims. Guess what the times have changed. We have made our mistakes but that is what happens when you act. Better than leaning back, doing nothing and talking bad about others. We try, we do a ton of good and we protect those who want peace. Europe is for Europe, French for the French, Germans for Germans. Try bringing justice to all. If you want to believe the French media, fine, but don't expect everyone else to live out their unfounded hatred towards us. Have a nice day!!!
Damn good post SiteTutor. Funny how the mikmiks of the world forget the aid we send to countries, let alone the recent tsunami victims. We'll never see the good we do come up in a discussion started by those that prefer to unleash hatred and self-victimization.
We started out discussing why we have "terrorists" wanting to attack us again as they did on 9/11/2001 and that reason is their great hate of American policy in the middle east and our involvement there. They really do believe that those oil fields are theirs and not ours, they really do believe that in 1948 Palestine was stolen from them by Eastern Europeans running from Poland, Russia and Germany. They really do believe that the United States of America is responsible for all of the above and that is why this is a war that will never end until God ends it himself. PS: Great posts by everyone of you. PSS: This guy always starts threads that are blockbusters
While those are current contributing factors often used to blame America with, the cause goes much deeper and more religious. Not sure it's worth going into here, but I can assure you whether we are there, or not, they will continue doing what they do because their religious doctrine teaches such. We have these very types of schools, funded by Saudi Arabia, right here in America that preach this violence, INTOLERANCE, and hatred. http://freedomhouse.org/religion/news/bn2005/bn-2005-01-28.htm Appeasing them will make no difference. This is not a blame America issue. This was going on long before 9/11. It just took 9/11 to wake people up to what's going on around the world, every day.
But why do they preach war GTech? Because of the OIL & ISRAEL issues, until we address these issues openly here in America without our leaders being bought by the lobbies, then these problems can not be solved and we surely are going into a major conflict. One more thing SiteTutor should be aware of before he makes statements like Russia does not matter, well he should realize that they have big bombs pointed directly at his home town and should they send them all you will see is a flash of light, that's it.......
If someone else in the world wants to hate "American People" without much evidence of the American people, then what is the point of trying to be rational with them? It's very different to say they hate the government then to hate the people. I also was not attacking your statistical source as you did not provide one. Having dealt with statistics a great deal, I was simply saying that 'dumb' is not a professional way of phrasing a question. You may have been paraphrasing for all I know. I also never said that all statistical data were lies - you were the one who read into that. I deal with them ALL the time, and know a great deal about how polls and results change based on how the information is presented, the questions asked, the demographics involved, etc. The methadology BEHIND the statistics is very important. Just quoting them doesnt' mean much. But you are free to read more into what I said then what I said. You would simply be wrong however.
Religion and politics go hand in hand in this case, as they have in many historical cases (crusades, etc). I agree that there were probably a lot of Americans who simply did not care about the issue before 9/11. I have friends in Israel, and I know it has been going on just about forever....back to biblical times as AC mentioned earlier. America is not to blame for the hatred....doesnt' mean we always help the sitaution though. ah well. regardless of if some guy from canada hates us, I actually am quite proud of being an American. Sure, there are problems, as with anywhere, but I would (and do) wear the American flag with pride when I travel, and have it hanging in front of my house, and a Bill of Rights in my room.
Quote what ever you want, this is not church, but it is sure a thread that will be read by folks worldwide. Happy 500 GTech
I'll pass (for now) on quoting the scriptures to explain the hatred. Besides, you already know them, I'm sure
I can't even start to tell you how refreshing comments like this are to read, Wendy. A far better read than those always trying to blame America for everything and always making excuses for terrorists.
Thanks GTech. One of my majors in undergrad was political science, and I spent a lot of time studying other systems of government, international relations, etc. While it has nothing to do with my current career, I do find it interesting. Nothing is perfect, but I AM very proud of my country. Sure, people may hate us, but there are also people who starve themselves for months in the bottom of boats to come to the 'land of the free' because frankly, we are a better place to live then a lot of other countries that persacute their people. It's good to remember that from time to time i think....
America has been a great nation since it's founding at the Boston Tea party The problem is the management of the intelligence community and the agencies that are supposed to be serving for the good of mankind, instead in the past they have caused great trouble in other lands such as Iraq. We will not get into all that because it is very controversial, but the CIA has been deeply involved in every overthrow of successive governments there including when Saddam was put in power and taken out. PS: Maybe another reason they hate us in their hearts
Nice try Anthony, but I'm proud of my country. I don't make things up to blame the world's problems on her. I don't sell my family, friends, or my country out. The hatred is religious ideology. 'nuff said.
Reality sucks, eh? I don't hate you, but I hate your government. Sure, political science, eh? I don't blame America for everything, and I don't take terrorists side. where do you get this stuff. You can refute my points, or you can pout. You choose to pout, and ignore what is really going on. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country, but there is something seriously wrong when you can't take criticism, or admit wrongs, or take accountability. I am just some guy from Canada, but I speak for the majority of the worls when I merely report and then show what I was saying. I am tired of people who think sticking their heads in the sand is the answer, but you only get what you deserve then, don't you. That is apathetic, and exactly the criticisms leveled towards Americans. You are just individuals, but you unkowingly verify the very criticisms by acting exactly the way you are criticised for acting. You attack character to defend arguement, you say Oh, we do good to, why don't you look at that, when doing good is not a license to commit attrocities, bully, and be arrogant. Yes, tough talk, but until you go and wear your flag in other countries, it is all hot air, isn't it. If you took political science, why don't you use some of that education to disprove my points? You took it, but that is meaningless. I took physics and chemistry and psychology. You took it, but did you pass? was it your major? just details. I swear, your types motto out to be "Don't let details and reality substitute for the truth" All I hear are excuses and non sequitors. Pathetic, and proud of it. You can't argue or disprove a pointr, so you 'make stuff up, and pretend that is the point. Maybe you should have taken critical thinking skills and logic instaed of poly-sci, then you could grasp the enermity of your ignorance. Don't take my word for it, though, read the news. No, I don't mean FOX, I said news. Talk about weak and fragile egos as well. Go and criticise Canada, and see the different reactions from people. I don't practice denial, which is all I get from you, people here face the facts and accept responsibility. what is so tough about owning up? I swear, every time I get into, or see one of these, american RWM and neo-cons get a persecution complex, and write it off as "You are just jealous" and "I don't care what you think" and character asassination. Grow up and quit whining, you three. You can wish and pretend all you want, but that doesn't change reality one little bit. Like I said, I have many friends in the States, and many of them are embarassed and just as critical of your government as I am, as the rest of the worls is. That is class. Whining and pouting is for losers, and every time you evade a point, say you don't care, change the subject, or attack the person instead of the argument, you are showing that you really don't have an answer. That you are wrong. Here is what you sound like: You guys are pouting because you are just jealous of me. I am smarter than you, and you can't bear to face it. Sounds good, eh? Go, wear your american flag proudly, I dare you to. Empty words, just like the rest of it, until you really go do it, eh? GTech, man, you just don't get it, way over top: But you do, and I just showed you that. You sell everyone out by denying reality, and you sell everyone out by letting yourself be manipulated - you are selling yourself out. No, you don't blame the worlds problems on her, but you blame the worlds problems on the terrorists. Of course you don't blame the worlds problems on the US, but you don't even acknowledge that you cause any problems period. No one is blaming the worlds problems on the US, do you get it? You make up dramatic sounding yak like that, but it doesn't mean anything. It is a lie, because you are insinuating that our criticisms are the blaming of all the worlds problems. Where ever do you get this? Are you ever going to address a point head on? Are you? Accusuing your government for lying about why you are at war, and why you started it, is not "blaming the worlds problems on you" Get it? Good, of course you don't. Go read the Bill of rights, the one that Great men made possible, and don't bother listening to the people who are trying to point out that it is being twisted and violated and destroyed. That might take some thinking, and we wouldn't want you to stress, would we now. You are American, damn it, and we are just jealous. Of what, I have no idea, but it keeps you happy. Ignorance is bliss, and you are proud of that, also. Anytime you want cut my arguments to shreds, and stick to the point, I don't care what you call me, or belittle me and my arguements, I welcome the honesty, got that? Some of us would rather know the truth than think we are right. We want to know what is right.
Oh, just remember, that when Bush takes another 80 billion USD loan out next week, that is 250 bucks per person you are paying. Man woman, and child. Plus interest. the total? three times that? He lied to you. Here Bush, take my money, I don't need it. You cut taxes, remember? Accounting? What's that? Add 'Business accounting' to those 'should have taken' courses there.
Aww, our favorite anti-American is back. Do you spread this kind of trash in your Mosque as well? Where do I get the idea that nutjobs like you blame the US for all it's problems? Why, from nutjobs just like you. You know, the ones that defend terrorists, the ones that obscure every point into a dark gray cloud of confusion that no one really has any idea what the hell is being said. The ones that that attempt to create doubt about any/everything as the first step to induce dissention. It's not just the terrorists that are causing the world problems, but those that support them and or ignore their actions because it's part of their religious ideology. And I'm damn glad George Bush is doing his part in taking them out. I see you clammed up about those WMD when presented with the truth. Good job, you should clam up about it. You know the truth I'm not worried about bush taking out another loan and neither are you. I'd rather be safe from nutjobs looking to earn some virgins. That's a real issue. If Bush would setup a Paypal account, I'd send it to him directly