Today's Terrorists

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by nevetS, Apr 13, 2005.

  1. mikmik

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    #61
    And so was I, so tell me, how do you come to believe that they are jealous of you???

    I'll give you a hint.... France is now seen as the top country for leading the political view of the rest of the world, they are trusted above any other, and the US is at the bottom, below russia and china.
     
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  2. wendydettmer

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    #62
    Show me the proof on that statement.
     
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    #63
    French propaganda is one thing we do not see on American TV, we do hear about it but don't want to see it. Why the French are so anti-American? beats me and I don't care.
     
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    #64
    We don't have an issue with the French but they obviously do with us, so the problem is theirs and not ours.
     
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    #65
    And please don't try to tell me it is because of the war, it has always been like that.
     
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  6. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #66
    We are already in WWIII and have been since Sept 11, 2001. WWI was not called that until there was a II, and WWII was not WWII unitl sometime after the US got involved. On paper anyway.

    I think when the history books are re-written we will find that what we have been involved in for several years now, is indeed WWIII.
     
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  7. wendydettmer

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    #67
    Quite possibly. The concept of 'war' is not the same as it was for WWI and WWII. There are different fronts, and different kinds of enemies. It's just a different world for fighting.
     
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  8. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #68
    I guess that's the kind of trust you amass when you sell out to saddam for oil.
     
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    Epica Well-Known Member

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    #69
    Answer: French Fries, French Toast and French Kissing - they're mad because we do them better and use their name.

    (just kidding - where is Crazy Rob - 'They're just posts guys.")
     
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  10. mikmik

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    wendy, I am certainly not predjudiced aginst individual Americans at all. I am lumping Neo-cons and the Republicans together when I say 'you people', or am voicing how the world in general see american citisens. Do you know that 56% percent fof the world sees the average american as dumb?

    i want the sitetutors of the population to understand just how wrong they are.

    I have many freinds in the states, some of my best friends, that are despondent over the state of the government. I still have deep belief that if and when things start to get to out of hands 'you people' will not put up with it one bit.

    My country is so much like yours as to be almost identical. I have some severe criticisms of my Government as well, but the one thing I detest is the administration's of the US arrogance and assumptions that they should dictate matters to the rest of the world.
    Protests in Iraq
    Children 'starving' in new Iraq

    Boston Globe:US takes the lead in trashing planet

    Okay, let;s get serious now.
    That one is new, this one is from january:
    I have tons of stuff, including people on forums in Europe talking with amazement at what is on the US TV stations News compared to what the rest of the world reports.

    Make no mistake, the US is seen as a gigantic propaganda machine, and the US population that voted him in as brainwashed.

    I only want people to understand what is really going on. I love nature, I love peace and humanitarian, like most people do, of course, but I am scared for the first time ever, and I remember the 60's and the cold war, so don't misunderstand what fear is when you are hanging on to your mom waiting for a nuclear war to start.
    I am scared that the US is so twisted that they will sacrifice the world rather than show some humility.

    There are many, many paralle1s to erosion of rights, and propaganda to other oppressive times and places in the last 150 years, and there are strong warnings coming from many Republicans that are worried.

    Yup, I am worried about my country like you wouldn't believe, also. I have no hesitation in seeing the majority of people here as naive and just plain stupid as well.

    It is just that Canada is not proud of it and don't act like Gods answer to the worlds problems. Yet ... We'll see after the next election.

    If people want to destroy my country and make it a 'state' of the us, and impose christian values to replace the constituional rights, you will see fighting mad then.

    I always thought things would just right themselves, and I used to be so pro US and think global warming and ecological destruction was an overreaction.

    Not any more, not for a while now - it has been obvious for a long time.

    As are Bushes transparent motives.
     
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    #71
    I'll take some time and read those news articles, thank you for providing them. I am leery of considering them 'proof', as I have yet to meet a news source that isn't bias in some fashion. Same can be said for statistics. You say that 56% percent of the world sees the average american as dumb? Where did you get that from? Is that from ALL nations, or only industrialized ones, or only western ones?

    Honestly, While President Bush may be a loon, he is not as powerful as everyone seems to think he is. We have a pretty good system of checks and balances...his bark is worse then his bite.

    Thank you for taking the time to clarrify your earlier statements.
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #72
    So what else is new? This has pretty much always been the case, at least as long as I can remember. The last few years have not had much of an affect on that sentiment.

    Personally, I really do not care. Why? Well, 99.9999% of us came from somewhere else first, ie., Europe, Asia, even, (God forbid) Canada.

    So when you can an American "dumb", you are in affect re-affirming a belief that "dumb" is pretty much universal, no matter what your current nationality.

    (BTW, define dumb, and take a look at the spelling errors located in the short quote above. Also, American needs a capital "A" :) )
     
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  13. mikmik

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    #73
    Thanks for being so understanding - I am a hothead and reactionary :eek:

    mia
    World war two started in 1939 on paper, the Germans had Belgium and poland by 1940, and churchhill was begging the US to get involved in May 1940. He wanted to stop the Germans from occupying France, and indeed he was trying desperately to get help and tell the French leader not to surrender, it wasn't to late.

    The US didn't join the war until they were attacked. It was almost to late.

    This is not world war III, and the US has a big responsibility to face for medling in other governments, financing wars, and creating the hatred that exists betwwe Islam and the west, most importantly the US.

    That is why the polls show the world considers it more dangerous with Bush in power.

    The US is not a saviour in the eyes of many, many people and countries. Money is the root of evil, and the love of money is the root of all evil.

    Unbridled consumerism and waste is much to blame, NA and specifically the US creates 7 times as much waste as the rest of the world, and 2 times western Europe.

    World war?? The US, and western society to a significant extent, has declared war on the ecology a long time agio, and that will destroy the planet and mankind, not terrorists.

    War can do tremendous amount of local damage, and now with depleted uranium in 'Allied' militaries, very long term radioactive poisoning of local enviornments.

    Time is for people to understand that there is no 'one villain' responsible for the wrongs, there are plenty of instigations and callous behaviors on the 'goog guys' side, and that has to be understood.

    There is no war if you can see there are other solutions, either. War is one direction. One of my favourite quotes:
    "Violence is the diplomacy of the dull"

    One criticism of the US by the UN and EU is that the US is not open to different methods of handling problems but by war.
     
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  14. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #74
    No wonder you are so anti-American mikmik, you pick some of the worst sources of opinionated commentary to present as factual evidence. I noticed you didn't post anything about soldiers building schools in Iraq or any of the positive things. You think the media in the US is showing positive influence? I say they go to great lengths to find the most minute of negativity (that doom and gloom thing they love so much) and ignore positive stories that come out. But that's what they do.

    Fortunately, the only thing I worry about in our country are people that tend to make excuses for terrorists. I'm damn glad we have a president that won't put up with it, like we did in the 90s.

    I'm always amazed when I read just how many countries, foriegn leaders and even the UN were bought out with saddam's corrupted money in order to vote against the war. France being right up there at the top. They had by far, more gross income in the oil for food program (billions) than any other country. No wonder they didn't want to go to war. Fortunately, it's not Iraqi's we're at war with, just a bunch of coward terrorists coming in from neighboring countries.

    I worry about the world. I worry about the corruption and tolerance some have for those that would prefer to (and often times do) just kill them.
     
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    #75
    Haha, I difine dumb as 'lack of ability to understand and comprehend'. Spelling and grammar, I can do very well if you wish, but that is a sign of lack of education, not innate ability to reason.

    But, you make a good point, 'dumb' is a very judgemental and interpretive term, and I am by no means not 'dumb' and 'non-understanding' much of the time :O)
     
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    #76
    I also doubt that you found find ANY reliable statistical data that used the word 'dumb' as part of a question. No offense mikmik, but that statistic you quoted is meaningless.

    and the reality is, i could honestly care less what the rest of the world thinks about me. They have their opinion on the US government, they don't even know me.
     
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  17. mikmik

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    #77
    GTech,
    , at least you some reason for stating this! It is meaningless otherwise.

    Sigh, I have lots of stuff on the coruption of the Food for Oil program, and it is with the Iraq government and US people, as well, and the UN to.

    The war is with Suddam Hussiens Refusal to give up his WMDs, that even the CIA says was a completekly wrong conclusion.

    The war is not on terrorism in Iraq, it is with the Iraq government under Hussein. The war initiated terrorism against the Forces, even Bin Laden said that he was glad Bush won the last election, because it gave then reason to continue their involvement in Iraq.

    The war was a lie, pure and simple, it is propagacda that it has anything to do with terrorism. That is a lie that Bush perpetrated (and Blair)
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #78
    Really, so why did the New York Times recently report an explosive story about armed units (not Americans) that came in took out WMD just after the war started? Where's the WMD when it's convenient, where is it when it's not?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/international/middleeast/13loot.html?pagewanted=all&position=

    As for the rest of you comments, just anti-American drivel that has no substance.

    P.S. add that article above to your collection. Somehow I doubt you'll use it in the future though. It would go against what you want/hope others to believe.
     
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    #79
    How so?

    If you don't care, you are commit to the same results and it will never change.

    The most useless argument, one drevoid of validity is 'attacking the source'. If you have contrary evidence, or reasons your opinion is based on, bring them.
    Or else it looks like pouting.

    But I think I made my point that France, Germany, the world - in fact the closer you are to the US, the less jealous you are.

    I used the word dumb, not the survey.

    There are kies, damn lies, and statistics, eh? So all evidence, empirical data, in fact any sort of bookkeeping is invalid? LMFAO, I don't think so.

    You evaluate data as presented.
     
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    #80
    They HAD weapons installations, no one is argueing that. How do you think they launched Scud missiles and made them???

    Whatever, you can say what you want, it is the common thread of all losing arguments

    "As for the rest of you comments, just anti-American drivel that has no substance."

    Why don't we let the rest of the world be the judge of that, I have already shown you are brainwashed by the Media and the conned by the neo-cons.

    Name calling, my, my!
    "It may be possible to charge Hell with a bucket, but against stupigity, the gods themselves contend in vain."

    I have used similar as your quote to show the mismanagement of the situation, don't worry. I am not afraid of the truth, not do I ever fear backing up my claims with multiple sources, something which you still fail to do.

    Why don't you read my pre -election debate at WPW? I have many, many more links to world prganizations, and interpretations of of the desecration of the meaning of your constitution by Bush et al, from Republicans and political scientists alike.

    Have fun travelling to to Europe or Australia next time - be sure to wear an American flag on your back. LMAO
     
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