Not really, Oil prices will never go down, once the world is used to price, and the price doesn't cause a world recession you will never see it get cheaper. Do you really think, if the resistance in Iraqi stops, and becomes easier and cheaper to get the oil out of there , Halliburton will lower price? Why would they ever lower the price? As long as the Arabs set the price, everyone else will sell for that price no matter how cheap they get it. Why would anyone cut there profits? That would make no business sense. Besides the demand for oil will out match any amount of production, all Indians and Chinese need to drive too now.
What? Do you remember the 70's? Oil prices rise and fall all the time. OPEC stepped up production last week and there was a $2/barrel drop. Here in WI, gas at the pump dropped nearly 20cents/gal. That's huge. And that's a fact. But you would have me believe that the price of gas has always gone up, and never down? People do not get used to higher prices. However, when costs rise equally with inflation, and the cost of living as well as salaries rise at an equal level, people live with it. When costs rise when there is no recession, and when there is no inflation, something is wrong. It means that the demand is higher than the supply. The current gas prices are controlled strictly by supply, not increased costs in production. Current gas prices are the result of two main factors as of late, fear and reduced production. Haliburton? Please, if you are going to debate at least be serious. Haliburton is not an oil producer, nor do they sell oil or set prices for oil. I realize you are being sarcastic, but you do so at the expense of your credibility. The prices for oil are based primarily on the production of oil. Yes, OPEC nations do set the price as you indicated, but they do so by controlling the production. By controlling the production of oil to a point where demand out weighs supply, they can artificially raise prices. It's simple economic theory. No, it won't. There's plenty around the globe to outlast our life times. Increase the supply to pre 9/11 levels and you will see a reduction in the overall price at the pump.
Mia said: He is, of course, giving his solution of a thought experiment under research conditions with some sophomore Ed-Psych student. This one- I remember a psychology experiment in a journal. Subject were given a situation where a train was going to crash and kill twenty people, but they could avert this by getting a worker to switch the train to a parallel track with 5 people on it that would die, but twenty would be saved. Obvious, right! They picked the second choice, and we would too, have five die instead of twenty by getting a worker to switch the tracks. BUT>>>> When it was presented then that THEY would have to stand there and throw the switch, with the five people standing there on the 'lesser death' track, and had to look at them at say "Hi", and then kill them, to save twenty people. Personaly, I like to think of you as out of touch with reality, and unable to understand, or even fake that you understand what I am saying. You always have have an excuse for never giving a direct answer anytime . Let me show you lateral thinking at it's best. Not only am I able to see the point of the thought experiment, I understand what you are saying well enough to not only expand on your example, I also use it to create a satire highlighting an absurd principle by taking it to an extreme, a comedic extreme. Here we go: Oh, lateral thinking! hah! Well let's see if I understand. This guy just imagines himself into having a horn(that's you, mia) And then slowing the train down while he is standing at the switch. The people are free to move about, yet they don't see the speeding train and their imminent demise until the switchman laterally alerts them with a sideways horn he materialized. Well, seeing you can just make up your own circumstance, thereby rendering the whole thing completely pointless, I might as well morph myself into Superman, and just go ahead and save everyone while I am at it. No. I can actually just go back into time, because this is a thought experiment, and anything goes - unbeknownst to the passengers LOL! --------- See?! I am using the priciples of "Different radiation from the sun on a planet other than my originating one thereby causing all laws of physics and rationality to 'break into mere pieces of tiny wire' - that I can bend and shape at will - except for the green ones " This is illustrated by the Metropolis cub reporter Clarke Kent in Superman issue number VX43x 10 to the 23rd. ---------------------- Just like you did with star trek LOL, mia! :O) giggle, giggle (you guys and girls shopuld try this, it's really fun pretending stuff) Why didn't you just imagine that if you can just warn the 5 standing on the track? ----------------------- Let me see it I can point out all your errors here, in a systematic way that any 'normal' person will at least understand. One, It is a thought experiment, there are no 'external circumstances' you can change, no "lateral viewpoint". ( I want to point out that I have yet to see any show me what "lateral thinking" is, or how it is different from any other thinking") Two, you use a fictitious situation, Star Trek!!!, to illuminate this "idea" of yours! Your idea of 'changing the conditions surrounding the problem- - !?!?!?!? You cannot be serious????8oO You use "Kobayashi Maru" like it is a recognized and respected part of our society?!?!!! It is a TV show!!!! The writers can imagine anything to be possible. It is not equivalent to reality!!! You might as well tell me that you just apply the 'principles of the "Dilithium Crystals"' to teleport all the people out of the train!!!!!! --------------------------------------- (Forget the rest of the errors, I am having much to good a time!) So, tell me, how you, mia, could apply the concept of Captain Kirk's - to the situation in Iraq??? That's what the 'thought experiment' is for, to promote understanding of the situation, taking of lives to prevent other deaths, I am thinking of the INXS song "(You're)Unbelievable" Forget it, I do not believe in the polluting of the enviornment, but it is real, and does not go away JUST BECAUSE YOU DON"T BELIEVE IN IT?!? (Imagine my voice growing higher with incredulity as I say it LOL) From mia: Oh, sorry, I use what are called compound sentences to string related ideas together because I think they lose their impact when apart, and quite frankly, mia, because I am trying to express complex ideas (to me;]). I have trouble with Bertrand Russel, and other philosophers writings at times. BR can make some pretty long and hard to follow sentences, but I always just assumed I didn't understand what he was saying. My highest mark in Uni was in English, about 92%. I got very good commendations, and personal comments, about the originality and depth of my ideas, mia. What's more, I missed almost all my lectures. Not kidding, mia, and I say this as a possibility that I may have lost it, may not really be that good due to 25 years of hard core partying and drug addiction, or just maybe, it may be a shortcoming on your end. I don't know for sure, ever, ever,... and that goes for everything i do and think. I generally take account of myself first before I go looking to blame others in situations like these. Keeps one humble, and realistic, because it is very realistic to not know things, We are human, no one is right so much as to just pronounce themselves "Right" as you do, without need for explanation. 'Course, saying you are doing something, and actually bahaving that way, are two different things, and if you make me mad, I will get another thought experiment, or a real, showing how erroneous our self evaluations tend to be compared to what others around see you doing. I thought that was one of my most easily understood sentences. I was asking you a question. How can using imaginitive situations lead us to realize, or discover, solutions that we might not otherwise see. That is the question. I will give you an example, a well known and popular method of thought experiment. It is called "Reducto ad absurdum". Exaggerating some part of a situation, to see where that leads, in order to understand an otherwise subtle principle or nuance. (I, of course, also realize you may be say "What? Where did you see me saying that?")
I believe in noise and visual pollution too. Have you seen what people pass as art to get NEA funds? That is pollution..... What I hate is seeing tree huggers polluting the forest with trash as they are out there saying they are 'protecting' the environment. LOL
mia - gas prices have increased here, as they do every year around this time. Without all the extra taxes NY has placed on gas, we would be seeing drastically lower prices. no matter what happens in the middle east, gas prices are not going to go down all that much here. It would be impossible for them to go under $1 considering the taxes. it's insane.
There is also enviornmental costs that will become factored in. Nations are going to be restricted on the amout of CO2 they can emit per year, and once this limit is reached, there are penalties. There will also start to be taxes added to the price to go to enviornment cleanup, and the increasing costs of production oil comanies incur in order to meet stricter and stricter enviornmental guidelines. Wendydettmer, I am sorry you can't understand what I am saying in my posts. The last one is funny as hell!
mikmik it wasn't funny, it was the same rambling as always, another post, another yawn....but hey, if you amuse yourself, then more power to you the issue of environmental concerns and fines is an interesting one. We have them here in NY (as i'm sure a lot of places do). One of the largest companies in my city (i'm not in NYC btw) finds that it is cheaper to pay the fines every year then it would be to make the necessary changes....so our river gets more and more polluted each year. Something just doesn't seem right with that system.
I'm pretty sure they are in charge of the iraqi oil fields, transporting the oil and refining it. So I would imagine they would have say in the price of oil coming out of Iraqi. Even if it just at the expense level. The price of oil flucates, but it will never really come down in price. Becasue of price fixing and increased demand. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3708951.stm
wendydettmer, although I agree with most of what you write, I guess we'll just have to 'beg to differ' on this: I agree fully here: I know! But more and more I am hearing about mills - and just companies in general involved with lots of toxic wastes - being sued and having to then pay some pretty big bucks to clean up their mess. Not sure if that could be used in the company you talk about's case, though. More like a legal loophole.
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11731 With so much good information on the oil for food program coming out, I'm surprised people are still gullible enough to fall for the ol' haliburton is stealing oil myth There's a whole lot more than 46 million floating around in the oil for food program.
Dude, do you purposely skip over the real news sources and go right to the most biased ones possible. I could sit and pick all kinds of quotes of lefty websites, but they have little to no credibitity. Like your source, who is also hawking conservatice tee-shirts and had headlines like and
I keep a lot of bookmarks from articles I read over time. This one, from last year. The easiest way out, is to try to lob a claim at the source. That takes little effort. The more challenging role would be to discredit the information. If you feel the contents I posted are not accurate, then discredit them with sources. Put forth some effort. I've seen nothing to the contrary. I see moonbats cry about how we are stealing oil, but I see no company mining oil. If we are stealing oil, why are oil prices so high? It's not our oil to take. It's the Iraqi's oil and they will control where it goes. Funny, I never see any outrage from the same, when it comes to 270 businessmen and world leaders that took oil vouchers, or when the UN and our allies were bought off by saddam. There seems to be only a one way oil outrage. Imagine that
Sure GTech, you keep believing that crap, go see how much Halliburton overcharged the military for food and housing for the soldiers in Iraq, then come back and defend those jokers. Next how many Trillions of dollars have been made by the increase in value of all the oil company stocks and the the cost of fuel that has tripled Do you think that any of Bush and Cheney's friends who own stock in EXXON, BP, SHELL OIL and the other companies in the oil industry could be benefiting from this scam war and oil gouging game the Houston oil men play Bush has a program that is working, enrich his friends and family while ruining the economy of the world, remember GTech in the stock market there has to be a loser for every winning trade. Bush is MAKING Sure that we are all losers so his side can win. They get rich and sack the economic futures of 90% of the population. That is what I call REPUBLICAN PIGS.
A/C if Bush is so bent on destroying the economy - wouldn't that effect his OIL business that he stole? unrelated to the oil topic: