I think I need to go and take a shower, I am beginnning to feel dirty just being a part of this thread. Gtech if you have all the extra time in the world to help keep this going in a circular motion - be my guest. I just don't have the patience for those who only see what they want to.
Nah, I've got to get back to some projects I have. I was thinking though, it's just about time for Anthony to throw out a "bush is going to steal my can of oil" circular reference. I know those hawkish democrats took his breath away
I agree Debunked it is hard to be let down by a Republican you had faith in, but it is not the first time, a lot of folks voted for Nixon twice also
I've been let down by both Republican's AND Democrats...that's not a party line issue I'm going to go make some pancakces, check back later
"Stole"? Can you please explain the logic in that statement? So you are saying that both Gore and Kerry won, and Bush some how "stole" the election? I remember looking at the election results and low and behold it looks like one person won. No one stole anything. Candidates ran for an office, they campaigned, they debated, an election was held, people voted, and someone won. It does not get much simpler than that.
I guess that you missed the Florida disaster in 2000 and Ohio in 2004, both states controlled by Republicans and Florida being run by Jeb Bush Plus you have a hard time looking at the links in those searches proving that Bush friends control the companies that make electronic voting machines & software I think you might have missed this linked page from that search http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
AC, just so you know I am all for a paper trail on all of the computer voting machines. That is definitely a stupid thing that was allowed to happen. And so you know it does look bad for diebold. I won't argue that. But I also won't presume guilt, but it does need to be changed. Remember during the monica scandal the bombing of a pharma plant? That didn't look good either. Now was it bad intel? Was it really a pharma plant? I don't think these things ever were investigated by the U.S. to see what we really hit. Will we know the truth? NO. But is Clinton guilty of bombing just a pharma plant? I can't say he is, I just hope it wasn't and those killed were really trying to harm us or others.
Hmm, back to stolen elections. I guess that's better than talking about many Democrats that wanted to go to war with saddam but, but, but the elections were stolen, my can of oil is stolen... The never ending circular references.
Your wrong GTech, I guess the total destruction of the world economy really does not matter to you, but real soon when folks start losing their homes they will see to it that nothing Bush wants will be made law. Next he is stealing our money using oil, he does not steal my oil but that of Iraq Can you explain world record oil prices GTech and defend President Cheney and Halliburton his company http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=&e=1&u=/ap/20050416/ap_on_bi_ge/finance_meetings By JEANNINE AVERSA, AP Economics Writer WASHINGTON - Amid fresh jitters from Wall Street, finance officials from the world's industrial powers said Saturday surging oil prices could crimp the economy and they pledged to limit the fallout. An intense discussion of the energy situation dominated the meeting attended by representatives from the United States, Japan, Germany, France, Britain, Italy and Canada. "Higher oil prices are a headwind" and the global economic expansion "is less balanced than before," the finance officials said in a joint statement. They urged producers to increase energy supplies and said countries should conserve more. The Group of Seven countries endorsed more timely and accurate information about the oil market, which officials said could help control price fluctuations and make companies more willing to expand production. The statement underscored finance officials' resolve to deal with the energy situation and reassure financial markets that the G-7 is on top of the matter. The private talks a few blocks from the White House followed Wall Street's worst session in nearly two years. The Dow Jones industrials plunged 191 points on Friday as investors worried about high oil prices and the strength of U.S. economic activity. In addition to the G-7 discussions, the 184-nation International Monetary Fund and World Bank were holding meetings this weekend. IMF members were to hear from U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on the need for rich countries to give more aid to poor nations. That approach fits into Annan's efforts to overhaul U.N. operations. Under tight security, several hundred people pressed for greater debt relief for impoverished countries and voiced opposition to the selection of Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defense secretary and an architect of the Iraq war, to run the World Bank. He starts on June 1. The G-7 statement endorsed the goal of fully canceling debt for such countries. But officials have yet to resolve differences between competing plans from the United States and Britain. "Once more the G-7 have chosen delay," said Jonathan Hepburn, policy adviser for Oxfam International, a supporter of expanded debt relief. The Bush administration also used the G-7 meeting as an opportunity to pressure China to overhaul its currency system. The finance officials advocated "flexibility in exchange rates" — the phrase they have used before to prod China. The United States wants China to stop directly linking the yuan to the dollar. Treasury Secretary John Snow said it was now time to act. "The next step is to do it," he said, rejecting claims by Beijing that it is not ready for the switch. The administration has come under fire from members of Congress and U.S. manufacturers to take a tough line against China. Critics contend China's currency system hurts U.S. exports and has contributed to the loss of millions of jobs in American factories. France's finance minister, Thierry Breton, said that in the G-7 group's discussion, "it was clear that the yuan is undervalued and there was a consensus that China has to address this." Chinese finance officials accepted invitations to attend the two previous G-7 meetings. But they skipped this session, an apparent signal they did not want to be lobbied more intensely on the currency issue. Energy prices were a concern at the last G-7 meeting in February and the one before that, but little action has resulted. Snow acknowledged that G-7 statement itself "won't do much about the fundamentals for demand and supply of oil." But he said the statement should signal to the financial community that "the G-7 is monitoring the situation." In the United States, oil prices surged to an all-time high of $57.27 a barrel at the beginning of April. They hovered above $50 on Friday. "These energy prices are too high. ... They call out for action," Snow said. Snow urged Congress to pass President Bush's stalled energy bill, which would open an Alaskan wildlife refuge to oil exploration. Bush used his Saturday radio address to make the same point, saying U.S. families and small businesses are feeling the pinch from rising gasoline prices. "Oil prices pose the biggest growth risk at the moment," said Germany's finance minister, Hans Eichel. "Prices are high and volatile" which produces "an element of insecurity." For now, energy prices are expected to slow economic growth modestly this year in the United States and elsewhere. "The outlook continues to point to solid growth for 2005," the finance officials said in their statement. Still, they stressed the need for the United States to address its surging budget deficit and for Europe and Japan to deal with workplace barriers that are restricting economic growth. "Vigorous action is needed to address global imbalances and foster growth," they said.
Well, I was close! Back to "but, but, but bush will ruin the world economy." And a thousand times still gullible, you think he can control oil prices. No Anthony, YOU ARE WRONG. You simply move, from one thing to another, trying to blame bush for all the world's problems, ignoring anything put before you. You don't care, you just want to blame bush for something. And making it up makes absolutely no difference to you what-so-ever. Where some people work hard not to called a liar, you seem to welcome it with open arms. That passage reminds me of you Anthony. It's actually from an article talking about John Kerry's Treason.
Is what Warren Buffett says propaganda also, how about the finance Ministers of the G-7 nations or Alan Greenspan, do they all talk propaganda??? Yahoo is guilty, they published the article on the Bush economy GTech that I linked to in my last post. Oil is kind of high since Bush stole the election in 2000....... PS: Bush never stole any votes PSS: He would never sell out the American people for Oil $$$$$$$$Halliburton$$$$$$$ENRON$$$$$$$$$$$$$
you said Anthony said and your reply was so gtech, how do you surmise that anthony thinks Bush can control oil prices, and that it is the only way for Bush to destroy the world economy. "You simply move, from one thing to another, trying to blame bush for all the world's problems, ignoring anything put before you. You don't care, you just want to blame bush for something. And making it up makes absolutely no difference to you what-so-ever.:" How do you know this, GTech? You got a reason that you would care to share? My sense is that all you want to do is ignore all evidence to the contrary, and blame Bush for nothing, is this not so? Please, correct me if I am wrong. So, tell me, Gtech, how do come to this conclusion "And a thousand times still gullible, you think he can control oil prices." Hey, mia, you said"Quote: Originally Posted by sitetutor let's not forget that he was re-elected By an overwhelming majority no less." You want to explain how 51% to 49% rates as overwhelming? Is that what you are saying? Those were the numbers of the popular vote, very close to a 50/50 split. I want to understand. So, we got three points, two by Gtech, and one by mia, that I asked for their reasons on, because they did not give any reasons, or define what they meant. Here is a definition of ovberwhelming for you to get started, mia: o·ver·whelm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vr-hwlm, -wlm) Three points. Thats all. Let's see if they have valid reasons.
Both of the last two American elections were complete frauds as is shown by the links I left in this thread.
Anthony said Oh wait, I know, I know this one! I just read it, John Bolton vs. Democracy The Nation (A largely reporting publication, maybe with Maoist tendencies, you will have to ask the Neo-cons for that evaluation) by John Nichols "Im with the Bush-Cheney team, and I'm here to stop the count." Bolton was one of the pack of lawyers for the Republican presidential ticket who repeatedly sought to shut down recounts of the ballots from Florida counties before those counts revealed that Gore had actually won the state's electoral votes and the presidency Geez, i am going to have to go with the stats here and give this one to .... anthonycea!!! Yes, it has been verified, what anthony refered to as stealing the election, has been confirmed by state departments Bureau of Intelligence and Research(IBR). It is a whitewash, and overwhelming SHUTOUT, 1 to ZERO_O_O there is lots more good here, GTech: The December 9 intervention was Bolton's last and most significant blow against the democratic process Oh, here is some overwhelming evidence, or should I say 'Intelligence' from a commanding officer who "LIVED IT", GTech Appeal For Truth Telling Ray McGovern September 13, 2004 So, GTech, I await your rebuttal on this as well. I want to see you disagree with people who "LIVED IT", who claim that BUSH is out to make the world in his Own Image LMAO Are you going to argue with Miami-Dade County Elections Supervisor David Leahy about the interruption of the Vote Count that really showed Bush lost florida? Are you going to argue with Marine Lt. Gen. James T. Conway about the attack on Fullah being just for retaliation, and his remark that it "increased animosity" and : . and argue with the damaging criticism of UN envoy in Iraq, Lakhdar Brahimi, and many others that the attack amounted to "collective punishment" of Fallujah residents. Do you know tjhat 87% of Fullah was leveled? That 250,000 people were displaced, and still there is no where for 200,000 of them to live, and no water and electricity? Is that destroying stuff? Are you going to refute US Government officials? Are you going to use logic, reason, and example of contrary evidence and comclusion if you do? You are getting quite behind here guys, I am through letting you get away without backing up your , uh, opinions.
anthony, "Both of the last two American elections were complete frauds as is shown by the links I left in this thread.", you ever get the sense that denial is a very serious character defect, and is dramatic in its manifestation? I mean, exactly how many economists opinions, reporters reports, other governments opinions, US peoples popular opinions, logic, evidence, links, etc. does it take? At least GTech and mia could respond directly to something, instead of accusing you and me of 'unsupported, ill presented character assessment', wouldn't you?
Some want to go down with the ship instead of jumping ship You would figure that those folks could see the ship sinking simply because in reality it is and Bush/Cheney are the quickest lame ducks in history
That's what the hero's do, but of course they are then dead! wendydettmar Sitetutor did not hijack a plane and crash it into one of three buildings. He did not strap a bomb to his chest and run into a park full of children and blow them up. He did not drive a car bomb into a pizza joint in israel killing friends..... so lay off already. You like calling people names, fine...stick with stupid and ignorant. But by jumping up to that level, you have truly shown your ignorance and lack of judgement. All it means is you have no idea who and what terrorism really is No, he condones lying, and he defends killing of people, and that is what is disgusting. Seems I do know what terrorism and death is, and I draw the line at defending wasting innocent lives. If it was a mistake, so be it, that is understandable. But to continue defending all the hundreds of thousands of deaths as 'just part of doing business' as he said when he said "So what if innocent lives are lost, that is the price you pay. NOW, you come here and tell me that is not disgusting, alright? You tell me that invading countries on bogus lies, while you ignore carnage and worse human rights violations in the rest of the world is not hypocrisy at its worst, okay? You tell me that defending taking of innocent lives, and polluting there home with radioactive poison that causes birth defects in the native population, as well as the vterans who served there and had kids later. You go ahead and tell me that covering that up, and instigating violence that leads to the loss of more lives than you are supposely trying to save, you tell me that is not disgusting, Oklay wendy? You tell me that name calling is any where near tjhe insult that ignoring carnage and bloodshed is, let alone justifying it 'busin4ess'! Go ahead, try to tell me that, wendydettmar, you go ahead and defend that, and chastise me for trying to illuminate the gross bad taste of defending murder. Nothing is more disgusting than killing innocent people, and lying about it, get that through your head right now.