Well Wendy to be fair they were pulling over a lot of folks just to check ID's, I was pulled over by the state highway trooper for speeding after 9/11 he let me go for the speed because my ID checked out and he knew I lived just down the road after running it. After Timothy McVehe bombed OK, City I was moving my company in a Rental Truck and the troopers in Ohio pulled us over to find out if we were hauling fertilizer and diesel fuel, so those things happen all over the country after major alerts. The government knew about the possibility of 9/11 before it happened but was sitting on their hands like the UK government did the other day when the reporter drove a van into the castle complex.
right ever notice how arrogant they come off? They think we are garbage and we don't get it and by the sword they shall conquer. Is war good? no Killing is never good. But evil causes evil and they have always been against Jews and those who support them. If we don't support Israel then who will. Should we all stand by and turn the blind eye while innocent people get slaughtered?
Who says "everyone" is a common denominator before realizing a problem? Should we wait till "everyone" has aids before we work on a solution? Should we wait till everyone has cancer before we attempt to find a cure? All is not a common denominator to wait for, while contemplating whether or not a problem exists.
hehe - I edited my post instead of adding about 50....hmm...lokks like this will be a rough ride though...better start responding faster
No one said that 'everyone' is a common demonimator before realizing there is a problem, that would just be silly, even even silly to imply that's what i said. My point was simply that the statement was a gross generalization of a nations people. Of course a serious problem exists regardless of if 'everyone' hates us or not. I wasn't denying that.
right! Quaddafi, Khomeini, Osama ... someone else is in line. I for once have had enough of surprises and the last one should also have been the final one.
sitetutor - this serious yes - but THIS is just a post - lose your cool here and you can never make a REAL difference out THERE.
So what do you guys think about the arrest and hold until whenever thing? 1) It doesn't apply to american citizens, so we don't need to worry about it? 2) We should lead the world, show them our justice system works, and give ANYONE the rights that we enjoy. 3) That only applies to criminals. I'm not a criminal, I could care less. or 4) We had to change things because of 911 and I'm glad we did.
It has nothing to do with supporting what you call Israel TOOT, which is a man made state made possible only with our money and military might. That is our 51st state and a military base that WW3 will be fought over and if we do not solve that problem in a way that is fair we are surely going into WWIII and there is no stopping a nuclear war.
I have to say that the opinion of Germany, France and Russia matters little to me. Those nations are jealous of us and it has nothing to do with our political agendas. They cannot stand seeing someone else more powerful than themselves. Look at their histories, hundreds of years of war with each others over nothing, similar to the muslim world. War is not good but what we do has at least a reason behind it and we are not as selfish as the other nations, we do a lot for other countries, a lot more than any other nation on earth.
nevetS - This is what I was leaning on in my 'conspiritorial' way Short answer: There DOES need to be more vigilance in apprehending these deviates BUT we have to be careful how much power we give govenrment Right answer: Got me - which is what everyone comes to - that or wild - passionate solutions that are usually one sided
Personally, i think it's lousey. The US government claims to want a democracy in other parts of the world, yet are willing to treat those citizens with less rights. Can't have it both ways. But number 4 is also very valid, things did have to change, but there is a line somewhere, and i think in the case you mentioned it was crossed. International waters get murky, who is really in charge of it? US? UN? whoever is willing to?
This thread is developing much too fast me to respond(as do natural conversations about this subject) At this rate most responses are purely emotional and rarely drafted to inform or convert minds. I am always interested in facts, dates, and provable historical examples - none of which are like to make it into most passionate posts. I would LOVE to read through this later and find content that effects me rather than passionate disortations. I hope we get some good posts in all of this.
Go study these keywords on Google or Yahoo 1948 founding of Israel Eastern European Jews Palestine American role in founding of Israel Bring back your relevant content and post it
I think nevetS is looking for some public opinion of the nature of our loopholed laws that empower our government to label individuals 'outside' of natural law, and put them into a seperate category where normal rights are negated. Currently this applies only to 'terrorists' which can be defined as...check your latest daily update..
Are we sure it only applies to terrorist? While I studied international law for a bit, i'm no expert, but i'm not sure that's correct. We were not the ones who arrested these individuals, Britian detained them, so whose juristiction is it really? i'm gonna go do some research
Opinion: I think it stinks that people can be imprisoned with-out the right to prove their innocence I also find it comforting to think that real terrorists would be confined to prison and unable to terrorize us I also see that the system is flawed like EVERY form of Government EVER