Today's Terrorists

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by nevetS, Apr 13, 2005.

  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #241
    No, the dollar was not worthless, nor is it now. Was the country in debt? Sure, since Washington it has been in debt. President number one started the national debt at $50k. Of course in today's dollars, that is quite a bit.

    Where did the extra buck come from? $3.50 gal? Where do you see that.

    To answer your questions though.. Look at what we inherited. A recession, bordering on depression. A near defunct military. Secrets and nuclear technology given (not sold) just given to the Chinese. Terror on a regular basis, that is until we waged a war on it. Scandals, lies, deceit...

    Trite, trite, trite... Of course that is trite too, isn't it? Anyway.
     
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    #242
    Thank you, for some reason that has been downplayed by the media.
     
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    #243
    Let's focus on the success of Bush and Cheney in taking this country into a depression, not a recession. :eek:

    Because that is where we are heading GTech, a rising tide floats all boats, so one that goes back into the Sea will have an effect on you too GTech.

    Hope you enjoy the ride Bush is going to take you on :p :p :p
     
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    #244
    well, be that as it may, it's against the consitution. I can see the point of the founding fathers on that one, but I do agree it's a bit outdated.
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #245
    I suppose it would be convenient to not talk about Clinton's woes. Personally, I think Clinton is quite a likeable guy. Probably why I voted for him twice. Sadly, I was not aware of politics back then. Just the average American who voted for who they thought best based on what the news gave us. Today, I know better.

    Why focus just on Bush? I mean, if you are going to blame Bush for something that hasn't even happened, how can you ignore the very same concern that DID happen on Clinton's watch?

    Help me understand that rationale, if in fact, there is any to it?
     
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  6. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #246
    Get your facts straight. We were in one before Bush entered office.

    I'm not sure I follow these most amusing soliloquies of yours. They are quite entertaining though.
     
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    #247
    It's also not fair to blame the economy soley on the president. Congress plays a large role as well, and getting them to agree on anything is usually quite a feat.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #248
    Anthony, how often do you forget the ONE TRILLION dollars we lost in the stock market the day it opened following 9/11.

    I'm going out on a limb here, but I suspect you forget it quite often :D

    I suspect you forget the truly remarkable recovery we've had in a relatively short amount of time too. After all, 5.4% unemployment with Clinton was hailed as a huge success, but 5.4% under Bush means???
     
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    #249
    $3.50 a gallon - I'll take it, as much of it as my bank manager would allow me.
    Quit bitching about the prices you pay for gas, move to the UK then you can see some real prices.
     
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    #250
    well jlawrence, it is all relative. The prices for gas here shouldn't be that high as most of it is due to taxes and most of them are state imposed. We pay around 2.20 here for a gallon. Yes, it is cheaper then most places in the world, but that doesn't mean that it's not higher here then it should be.
     
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    #251
    Constitution or not, Wendy, there is always room for improvement as long as the American core values are not being compromised. I have lived in San Francisco when the war in Iraq started. I support the right to demonstrate peacefully. I embrace it when I disagree with the reason behind it.

    I have lived thru a week of standstill throughout the city. Downtown was impossible to drive thru. Motorists vocally disagreeing with demonstrators were getting beat up by peace protestors. American peace protestors.

    I think what makes us unique is that we are more open to progress than any nation on earth and flexible and common sense oriented. I am sure if our founding fathers were alive, they themselves would be open to amending the US-born rule on qualifying for the ability to run for our highest office, the highest office in the world.
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #252
    Great point. In fact, let us not forget about natural disasters, like 4 hurricanes blasting Florida in a row. The Sept 11th attacks, as well as other outside factors that are beyond anyones control. I know that after Sept 11 we lost every signal Muslim based country hosted/colo customer within a few weeks of the attacks. Even some long time customers from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. The president had nothing to do with that.

    I really was not sure what to think about it at the time, though now I am quite convinced of what it was about. In any event our European customer base remains around 95% of our business, with France, Germany, UK, Italy and others being our largest customers in the hosting/colo realm.

    We've seen considerable growth from outside the US rather than inside the US over the last 5 years.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #253
    No doubt J!

    Our gas prices are just now hitting what they were in Germany in 1985 when I was stationed there.

    And Anthony, you probably voted for the guy that once proposed a .50c gas increase. I bet you'd really be up in arms over the fabricated gas price concerns then!
     
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    #254
    J, I have been to London and your public transportation system is superb, mainly because your country's ratio of space vs citizens is a lot lower. We need cars here, you guys can take the double deckers anywhere :D
     
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    #255

    I TOTALLY agree with you. Free speech and I are good friends, and I support the right for some horrible people to march and speak their piece...as much as I abhor what they stand for....freedom of speech is a more important virtue.

    Honestly, if it ever came up, I think an amendment would come on the table to change that part of the constitution. It's one of the nice things about the constitution, it is fluid and can change when needed. As Jeremy stated before, the reason the rule was in place is not needed anymore, times changed.
     
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    #256
    One more thing about Arnold. I live in California. I have been living here for 15 years. He is doing an awesome job, better than any governor since Ronald Reagan.
     
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    #257
    It is said that the stock market predicts the future, well folks, investors have zero confidence in Cheney and Bush, they are bombastic and bumbling and everyone knows it.

    U.S. stocks end sharply lower; Dow at five-month low


    By MarketWatch Last Update: 4/14/2005 5:00:09 PM NewsWatch Latest headlines

    NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- The Dow Jones Industrial Average posted its second straight triple-digit decline Thursday to end at a five-month low, and the Nasdaq put in its worst performance since October 2004, on rising concern that the pace of U.S. economic growth may be slowing.

    PS: You guys that voted for those jokers can blame yourselves when your business fails.
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #258
    So should those who lost their businesses under the 2000 crash blame Clinton?

    Did investors have the same thought of him at the time?

    My business failed after 9/11. Care to guess who I blame? I lost a seven year old company and fifteen employees. Now I just do it own my own.
     
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  19. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    I especially love the Tube. Last time I was over there I was dawned the "Tube God" by those I was traveling with. (I have been there 5 times now) Anyway, what they did not realize was the Tube is so damn easy to understand, anyone can be a Tube God. I'll be back again some day!
     
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    #260
    5 month low? Try stating a little more fact. The dow is currently at a 3 1/2 year HIGH overall.

    Remember Sept 11? Rewind, look at what happened to the stock market then. Look at what has happened since. If anything stocks are finally coming close to being valued based on a companies actual worth, not their delusional expectations of nothingness which we saw in the 90's.

    More businesses failed in the Clinton years than at any time in our nations history. In any event, I am not one to blame a president for a failed business. The president has very little to do with how a business does. Run a business, you see things a little bit differently.
     
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