Today I went swimming with my wife. [pic]

I think both you and sawz are a bit off. I have a lot of match boxes without naked women on them. I really do not like porn.

Also we do not demand women work then come home to slave away in the house. That is if anything a bit of an old fashioned view. And who says all guys drink? If anything you sound a bit bitter and maybe even sexist to a degree. But you have the wrong idea about how things work here.

Your women are not treated like diamond and pearls and ours not like cattle. Now I KNOW not all Muslims treat women badly but there are some basic freedoms that are denied. In my culture women have the same power as men if not more at times. They can do anything they want and some. Women get double standards in the court system. They get extra privelages often.

I am not married but my girl friend and I share resposibility. My gf drinks more than I do. I have had a total of one cup of vodka in my entire life.
I do all of the money making. I go to university as well.

Old fashioned couples have the guy working and the woman doing chores. But think about it this way. In that relationship the guy spends 40 hours a week working in some boring office job. He pays the bills and provides for the two of them and their kids. The woman stays at home and does bring repetitve chores.

I do work around my house. Though it is boring it is hardly tough to do and I would rather do them then to work my life away in an office. I can watch tv while doing laundry. Listen to music. Do whatever really. Women are not treated like cattle

 

Oh , how can she enjoy the swimming with clothes .

 

most may not understand it, but people that swim wearing this in the arab world say they enjoy it and find it comfortable, i guess until they try swiming in a bathing suit will they understand the difference

 

We have the same problem, swiming in a bathing suit is as fucked up as those arab girls in full dress. Swimming naked would be the ultimate experience, yet most beaches in the western world limit people in this matter and we find nothing bad about it, but it's as bad as on arabic beaches.

 

For the swimmer or the viewer?

 

Nudity of itself isn't evil or bad. It depends on the society and its reaction to it. In Europe there is a lot of nude sunbathing in parks without problems.

 

Yes but if you go to most public beaches in europe, it's still bathing suit (with or without top) so that's too a piece of clothing that is put on the body and nobody think twice about it, except nudists of course who have access to nude sunbathing parks and also private beaches or public but not mainstream beaches.
Most of the people in europe go to the beach with a bathing suit and they too restrict themselves, just like the women fully dressed in arabic countries, it's just that the arabic have a lot more clothing, but the principle is about the same. Of course for me it's laughable to see arabic women like this, but for arabs it may be shocking or strange to think of western beaches, but in reality all are the same with their pieces of clothing except nudists who can enjoy swimming naked freely.