To most Jews, Jesus was nothing but an impostor. Simply irrelevant!

Good post Jim, I completely agree

 

Thank you for stating the obvious but this is not a discussion about ethnicity, it is a discussion about 2 religions. Judaism versus Christianity and how Jews deny in every way that this supposed person Jesus was the Messiah or prophet.

 

You missed the point. The Christian religion was founded by Jews. Contrary to the original poster, there were large numbers of practitioners of Judaism in the first century who embraced the Christian religion. More importantly, religious Jews started the Christian religion.

 

Those Jews who embraced Christian religion are called Christian and those who didn't are called Jews. Nobody is denying that Christianity is a mixture of Judaism and Persian mythology but Jewish religion doesn't accept Jesus as a prophet, let alone son of God.

 

Not sure of the point here. Yes, Christianity emerged from Judaism. Now with regard to how Christianity has this "close" conneciton today with Judaism, I'm not sure this same appreciation was conveyed during the Inquisition, the Crusades and the Gospels.

Here is what I do know. At some point the seventh day was moved from Saturday to Sunday. As a result, I have been unable to buy beer locally for my fall/winter football parties and that seriously ticks me off!!!

 

It is only USA's government that has a close connection to state of Israel based on love of GREEN by politicians but neo-cons like to wrap this simple business transaction in some kind of mystical mambo jumbo BS about chosen people, end of the world and other nonsense.

 

FMI
Who were the other prophets sent by God, before Jesus, did the Jews reject.
Please list name and approx years they were on earth.

Thanks

 

Do you know who the Jews were that wrote the bible.

I thought, and have been told by history scholars that the first 4 books of the new testament were written by Greeks, the names of the books Mattew, Mark, Luke and John were just added to allow them into the New Testament.

 

Alex, the question is "Who is G-d?"

 

This thread is started with some facts about Judaism and why Jews don't accept Jesus. What puzzles me, is how come these so called Jewish followers of Judaism while bagging Jesus, choose to live in the most Christian country in the world called USA. Why listen to these Jews who claim one thing and do the opposite? Isn't this some kind of picking and choosing which aspects of Judaism we accept and which not?

Just so we're clear: I have nothing whatsoever against the Jews. My next door neighbours are Jews and are absolutely top guys. I haven't managed to convert them yet, but they say they are not religious.

 

can not wait to see what Gtech and the rest of the gang has to say about your post. especially devilhellz.

 

No it doesn't. There are all kinds of insane rules and regulations that come along with being one of the 'chosen people. I may be wrong, but from what I can tell, the only religion that has more ridiculous rules than Judaism is islam.

 

And there is the number 1 reason people find Christians to be highly annoying. You do realize, lots of people aren't interested in your ramblings, right?

I mean, we get idiots coming into work trying to spark up a 'casual' conversation about Jesus. They try to play it off like it just happen to come up in conversation. You can smell these guys coming from a mile a way. They're worse than used car salesman. A simple 'no' will not do. They will follow you around until you are forced to get ugly.

used car salesman, panhandlers, Christians trying to convert....they're all the same.

 

I am not saying Christians are annoying - anyone can be annoying, but those who you just described sound like mormon or Jehovah witnesses. (But I might be wrong)

If I talk to someone about Jesus and they don't want to talk about Him, I will be polite and change the subject. I can't change someone and it isn't my goal to change someone (myself) I, as a Christian, am told to go tell the world about Jesus, Jesus has to do the changing of hearts, not me.

So if someone says they are Christian and they are not dropping the subject about Jesus - ask them if they personally can change a man's heart or if it is Jesus that does it.

 

What puzzles me is how a human being could actually make a statement like this and think that it's somehow progressive.

Since when is the USA a Christian country? Last I remember the USA was founded upon the belief that it was a FREE country where people could co-exist peacefully and believe what they wanted to believe and build a life for themselves. People found asylum in the US from holocausts around the world, not just the Jews in WW II. You may be unaware of something called the "Constitution" and some other fundamental documents that any immigrant who goes for citizenship would know that confirm this.

It scares me to think of the numbers of people that believe that the US is or should be a "Christian country" and laws, rules and statues in public places of fundamental fairness should follow. I'm guessing the KKK is loving this.

With regard to the "picking and choosing" thing - perhaps you can explain to me confessional, where Christians allegedly can do whatever they want by day and be conveniently forgiven at night.

The bottom line is that there are sincere, good, well-intentioned people of all faiths and then there are those who are not well-intentioned, sincere people. If there is a G-d of some kind then G-d will be able to sort out the BS once the people have perished.

 

Maybe they are softer in your neck of the woods
Round these parts, we have some hardcore bible people. I mean, it's no Texas, but we have them

I don't dislike them, they're just annoying. That's why I compared them to used car salesman(or any salesman for that matter) and panhandlers.

 

its not only him
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/10/01/dnt.mccain.nation.cnn

 

Yep, it's positively terrifying. I can imagine how these people would feel if we called the US a Mormon nation. If people would believe what they want to believe without delving into crusades trying to convert people around them we wouldn't have this problem. And Bush has set forth hundreds of millions in place to allow the crusades to continue, which is disturbing.

There is still only one thing clear to me. I still can't buy beer on Sunday mornings for my football games. The fact that a law like this can still be on the books is outrageous - and annoying. One must stock up well before Super Bowl Sunday to prepare for the event...

 

Dude, you can argue all you want and you can side step the issue, the fact remains Judaism picks and chooses. I mean let's be real:if there is a place for the Jews, according to Judaism that is Israel.

But you can't go around and bag what Christians are doing while at the same time choosing to live in a Christian nation. OK, USA is NOT a Christian nation exactly meaning not everyone follows the Christian faith. Yet, throughout its history USA was and is a predominantly Christian nation.

The bottom line you can't have it both ways: following Judaism and choosing to leave in a mainly Christian nation. Something just doesn't add up here.

 

You really lost me at kkk... you went from Christians to kkk.

And now you are confusing Christians and the catholic church.

They can call it a mormon nation if they want but history would show that it wasn't started by mormons. USA isn't a Christian nation, but it was started by a few Christian men and a few that we are not sure about, with Christian principles and the belief of freedom. Sure the USA has moved far from being "christian" but it did start that way no matter how many times someone tries to rewrite history.