And now your site doesn't rank at all for those terms. Shouldn't that tell you something? Domain name TNX.net has absolutely nothing to do with thousands of websites on the TNX network. Just check out our robots.txt file then search DP for threads about Matt Cutts manually removing TNX.net from SERPs. If you think we care what Google thinks about TNX, then you are wrong. We don't give a damn thing about ranking high in Google, we even banned it from crawling our website ... But we did trick Google .... want know how? Search for "Buy links" or "Sell links" on Google and see for yourself RectangleMan, I am not going to argue with you and definitely not going to prove you anything. It is up to you to agree with me or not.
You are spot on RectangleMan. You have said everything that was on my mind but just with much more articulacy. Adult and multimillionaire oil traders sweat about every statement from OPEC. Wall street and every financial center in the world sweats about every sentence that Ben Bernanke makes. Coffee Growers all across the world worry about statements from Starbucks. Don't even begin about Ebay and Ebayers etc etc. If your livelihood is greatly influenced by any entity, it is only natural to care about the direction that entity is taking. Perhaps you have your own personal internet with your own servers and websites, but many people are sucking money from google traffic day in and out. So it matters to them what google does. If your business model is different...good for you, but all business models are flawed whether they depend on JV traffic, classifieds, word of mouth,radio,tv, articles, press releases, myspace, ppc or SEO. This is incorrect. If your ROI is positive, many people leave links on site selling sites indefinitely. I would imagine TNX allows that. If this were not the case, textlinkbrokers, TNX, linkvault,powerlinks,linkbrokers,links4you,3wl,linkadage etc etc would have been out of business years ago. Again, you need to understand that their are many business models that all work. You banned them AFTER they banned TNX, not the other way around. So do not pretend you do not want Google rankings. If for some reason you do not really want search engine traffic, you would also ban MSN and Yahoo from crawling your site ...which incidentally you haven't. Claiming you have banned Google is much cooler and profitable for a link seller than saying you have been banned by Google. Have some integrity and just admit it. My my, aren't you soooo clever!..For your information using authority sites like digital point, squidoo, warrior forum, youtube etc to post a comment and then direct links to it using guest book spamming or other linking methods is as old as Altavista. Not really clever at all actually. ForumMarketing101. By the way, I thought you just said you did not give a damn about Google??? So why bother "tricking it". Stop contradicting yourself man! You mean you can't argue with him because he has totally exposed you. The game is up! Quit now instead of digging yourself into an even bigger hole.
First off, matrixx, you're quoting my post in those first few lines, not RectangleMan. You could at least have the courtesy to quote properly if you're going to break a post into a series of rebuttals as you have done. I fail to see the point you're trying to make between TNX and OPEC and the Federal Reserve because Google is not a Government Appointed agency. You lost me right there. If that's the best logic you can come up with, I humbly suggest you keep trying. As far as your reply to me stating "many people leave links on site selling sites indefinitely". How do you know this? Did you commission a study into this phenomenon? Where are you pulling your facts from because to me, it looks like you're pulling the from outer space. As entrepreneurs, we use a variety of techniques to make money. Sometimes certain ethics have to be compromised. However, I hardly see where an "ethic" can be derived because Matt Cutts blogged about it.
He is saying that one company controls a whole industry and greatly affect your business you should pay attention to every little thing that they do.
from TNX FAQ.... Can search engines somehow identify links sold or purchased through TNX? Answer: There are no marks of any kind that would let search engines identify links sold or purchased through TNX. All links look like they were installed manually, so there is absolutely no way a search engine can identify your website is selling or purchasing links through the TNX system.
So well said!!! I was here before Google, too. And I have to add that, there was more money before Google... All those billions at the Big G is actually money from our pocket. Regarding tnx: The idea was nice.,, however the service is useless as it is. Too many worthless sites in the portfolio, too many dropped domains. It simply takes too much time to check links which I bought and lost their PR at the next update.
I guess it is possible, all the SE's have to do is register a few of their own site with TNX and then every link that appears on their sites is that of a site that is buying links. My experience of TNX is as follows, I have bought about a dozen links for quite competitive keywords, and sure enough I get top 10 in a matter of days, then a week or so later they disappear. I am not talking loads of links here just a dozen slowly building. I am not sure what the problem is but what I do know is that it there is something in it, just a case of finding out what is happening. Maybe I ended up on a SE website? Just clutching at straws here, it could be anything.
I wanna consider to use tnx service to gain my serp. But it seems that the most review was not so satisfactory then I am reconsidering to review it at the moment.
You should consider learning more about link building instead. TNX is just a third party between link sellers and buyers. Those who don't know a thing about link building techniques, should not buy links at all.
I totally agree, I learned my lesson with TLA last year and threw away over $2000 in six months only to have the sites I bought links for all end up at PR3/4+ naturally (because all the TLA bl's are history). Funny part is some of the sites I bought TLA's on kept me on their blogroll and vice versa. Also, I did get a lot of traffic from my TLA links/ads which is what I was really looking for, traffic, not to game Google's SERPS. While the creators of TNX deserve respect for coming up with a good idea *and* implementing it, the fundamental concept is flawed. I'm willing to pay for automated links/ads on relative sites and I really don't care about the links being nofollow but the problems with TNX are : 1.) Links are not even remotely contextual. Why would somebody on a site for transexual vampires want to visit an MLB Baseball site ?? Plus, the authority value is lessened if the sites aren't relevant. 2.) Link prices are based on Google PR. TNX declared Google PR "unimportant" and played their hand with disallowing Google's spiders in their robots.txt (which, again, I stand behind them on their stand against Google) but why is the value of a link on a PR4 page way more valuable than a link on a PR0 page (by page, I mean interior pages). 3.) TNX could have been a "fixed price" version of Adwords and instead of having competitors bid on placement they could have sold contextual advertising on relevant sites on a rotating basis, not by the highest bidder. How could they keep publishers honest? Easy, allow the advertisers to openly rate the publisher's sites based on ad placement, traffic and other criteria. If a site gets more than a few complaints, a rep would check it out and contact the webmaster or ban the site from the system. As far as Google PR goes, we all know it's flawed anyway. Look at all the "wordpress and joomla template" sites that are less than a year old and already PR5-6 ??? An "authority" site with PR6+ can be easily manipulated to pass an automatic PR4 to any site they choose (b5media.com ???). God knows if Matt Cutts links to you once or Michael Arrington and TechCrunch pass you a link, you're good as gold. OK, so TNX "bucks the system" and they have the ugliest referral banners ever and the site design leaves something to be desired... If somebody came up with a solution between Adwords and TNX, I'd say it would be a smash.
Bryce, since you are not after SEO but genuine traffic (clicks on banners and link ads), TNX is not for you!
Thanks for sharing your opinion, however, I don't feel you're in the least bit qualified to say what is or what is not for me. If you base your judgements about others solely on their posts on internet discussion forums, you've evidently quite a lot to learn about this business (especially SEO - Funny, I have tons of #1 Google SERP spots for keywords with over 2 million results without using TNX). Once again, allow me to reiterate, a link on a site that is about werewolves is not going to pass authority to a site about affiliate marketing. Hence, my opinion about the lack of contextual placement. While I'm on my soapbox, let me add one more point : #5) TNX staff tends to embody a "cut off their nose to spite their face" attitude which, 9 times out of 10 will only offend the truly professional clients with deep pockets, which in turn will cause publishers to abandon the system due to lack of support that is not demeaning them for expressing their opinions. IMHO, if a company can't take criticism or suggestions from their members, they are digging themselves into a hole and shoveling the dirt over theirown heads. Read what I said. I have respect for TNX and have been supportive in the form of offering my unbiased opinion, not to mention I have over 30 referrals. 'nuff said....
Once again, allow me to reiterate, a link on a site that is about werewolves is not going to pass authority to a site about affiliate marketing. What makes you so sure?