just wondering for tnx users out there to see how if any by using tnx has affected their se ranking and etc. i started tnx a few months ago. I had a PR6 site and things were going good. last month my PR went to a 4 and then beginning of march, my google traffic just tanked like 80%. words that i was ranking high for years suddenly disappeared. it was like i got banned but not really. (i could find them..just a few pages later) now..i don't buy tnx links..i just sell tnx link space on my website. i didn't think that would be a big deal (i've read about buying too many links issues). anyone have any ideas? was thinking of removing TNX but don't want to jump the gun as it was bringing in some good money.
Google doesn't like link selling either. But there could have been a number of other factors such as you lost backlinks or a change in Google's algorithm never know.
I think you got done for link selling rather than advertising there. You can only hurt yourself with stuff on your own page. Otherwise if i wanted to get read of my competition id buy them some TNX ads.
anyone know how to pause tnx? was goign to remove the tnx code off my site and see if that did anything. man...i love tnx also.
last month my PR went to a 4 and then beginning of march, my google traffic just tanked like 80% I think Google is slowly getting rid of its PR thing because people start to understand that it is pretty much useless when it comes to getting top SERPs. words that i was ranking high for years suddenly disappeared. Have checked if there is a new sheriff in town who has been promoting those words lately? it was like i got banned but not really. (i could find them..just a few pages later) This is what you usually happens when you do not promote those keywords by which you rank high. SERPs is not like PR thing, they are updated daily. i didn't think that would be a big deal (i've read about buying too many links issues). Remember, they don't want you to buy links and they will write anything to scare you away from getting the product leading your website to top SERPs Google can't prove it is you who purchased links! In 100% cases people blame this on their competitors and get their SERPs back.
So you are saying that google is getting rid of pagerank because webmasters believe it is useless for manipulating SERP. If that is what you meant, you are assuming that: a)Google created Pagerank for the benefit of search engine optimisers. b) That PR is not of any benefit for search engine positioning. I think any successful SEO will disagree with those assumptions.
I am saying that when it comes to getting top SERPs, quantity of links is all that matters and PR has very little to do with it. Many webmasters on our network have achieved great results promoting their keywords on thousands of PR0 pages. It is also very cheap. It takes more time for Google bot to go through all those pages than if they had PR1 or more, but results are the same - your website will get top SERPs by the keyword promoted. Just so you know, Google is perfectly hiding the fact that PR0 has value. If a page has PR0 and it is indexed in Google, its PR does have some weigh, but we never know what goes after decimal point (ex. PR 0.01 - PR 0.99) because Google doesn't tell us that. This is why we created a Site-Rank tool that calculates an approximate value of each page. Google created PageRank for its own benefit Very little benefit. I think so too Your assumptions are not so good.
So I assume then that you are charging the same price for PR0 and PR8 links in your service. I bet that will be another wrong assumption from me Your reasoning is deeply flawed. Millions of sites achieve number one positions in the search results for particular keywords without having that keyword in its page title. This does not mean that having a keyword in the title is not important for SEO. Just because number of links and anchor text is important does NOT mean that PR is unimportant for Google SEO. I have a feeling you know that very well already. Why bother. I thought you said Pagerank was unimportant Please don't say it is because you get a warm fuzzy feeling when you develop effective tools for your customers. I have heard good things about TNX, but you do not need to create fiction to promote it. PR Rules! Google rules! Matt Cutts Rocks! MX
Matrixx TNX does not use fiction where did you get that ? TNX is a great system if you ask me. The don't charge PR0 the same value as a PR8 All the guy is saying is that a PR0 has some value, a PR8 probably has a higher link value but we can't easily measure the difference. Pagerank has so little value in achieving rankings I must disagree with Bonus Points that its only about quantity of backlinks to achieve great rankings !!! Quality and relevance plays a big role in rankings as well !!! EDIT: Pagerank affect of your rankings should be minimal if any
PR, PR, PR ... Not all links are created equal and PR is not the metric to measure them by. The best links are links from pages that actualy rank in the serps. My 2 cents anyway. Sorry your threads sort of gone off topic chodomade, but not sure what to recommend here.
Thanks guys (Chios, WebAttend) for helping me out to calm down another "SEO Pro". Looks like this newbie registered just for the purpose of arguing with me on the Google PR thing .... Oh, I know, I will just add this guy to my Ignored list.
(I am saying that when it comes to getting top SERPs, quantity of links is all that matters and PR has very little to do with it.) Bonus-points said i agree with you 100% correct and i done an experiment on this on my own nick name and also write this in my blog Banners,anchor text, link bait all in one and i want mention when you read it that was between my old blog pr3 in google and my new one pr 0
People been saying that garbage for years...it's BS. Hmm....let me explain it. PR is a MEASURE of that quality. LOL...so you think THOUSANDS of PR0 pages are better than maybe a handful of solid PR4-PR6? Clueless sir...absolutely clueless. IF PR wasn't important then why would you even need THOUSANDS of links at PR0? Not sure what your point is. You seem to say that the higher the PR the better..but you said earlier it's meaningless? Get your story straight. Actually it was created as part of their algorithm to create their SERPs. It's why it was important 10 years ago and why it will be important 10 years from now. It's a part of the equation and can not be discounted. As other seems to agree...your words seem empty. And back to Topic for the TNX issues...well...I don't use TNX but since Google banned it I have to assume it's under their watchful eye. I have had a LOT of sites where I sell links penalized. I don't really care. I still get paid and unless Google is going to pay me to be in their serps (they make money off us all) I don't see why I shouldn't sell links based on their PR system. Google sucks. EDIT: Funny I didn't realize you were the actual TNX guy. That really makes your posts seem REALLY Bizarre since you run a service entirely based off PR. It's safe to say that without PR your entire TNX service would be worthless. You might want to think about that before you go off telling people it's nearly useless. And btw...I just signed up and added a site to TNX. Let's see how it goes.
Exactly RectangleMan. Fiction is (writing) work based on the imagination and not necessarily on fact. Bonus-Points assertion that PR has no benefit in rankings is exactly that. I never said that TNX is bad. I have heard only good things about them. Just because Big Macs and Fries taste good it does not mean we must believe everything McDonalds says about diet and nutrition. That is my point. I hope you get it now. I think he said more than that in this and other threads. Including the end of pagerank. Something I have also heard about for 5 or so years now. Bonus-point has contradicted himself left, right and center. False. Do a search on google for any competitive term and tell me how many of the top 3 ranking pages have PRO... Case Closed. Quantity of backlinks will increase your PR. A hundred thousand references in small scientific journals may increase your credibilty more so than just a single reference from Scientific American. You need to think of PR in that way. In 2000, when you were still working at Kentucky Fried Chicken and applying pimple cream, I was a member here. Painting me as a newbie will not make PR go away or make it less relevant. If you do not want anyone disagreeing with your fiction based assertions, perhaps a DISCUSSION forum is not a place for you. No doubt you will be careful next time before you post any fiction. I am watching you. Oh what a shame, and I sooooo wanted you to be my friend. Boo hoo
How can you say something like that about search engine that makes our monthly paychecks look nicer? Link cost is the only thing that is based on PR. It is nearly useless and we have proven it to many advertisers of ours. Of course it is better to have thousands of PR2 pages linking to your website than thousands of PR0 pages, but the outcome is the same. And since outcome is the same, why pay more? Check it yourself if you don't believe me. It will go great in case your website has hundreds of PR0 pages, because most of our advertisers are buying plenty of PR0 links. Of course we have those who buy links from pages with PR1-6, but their orders are way smaller than those for PR0 links.
I can get free PR0 links by the thousands at Link Vault for free. It helps but doesn't do the job of getting me ranked very high. As a matter of fact it can actually work against me. Google might look more favorably toward one single PR6 link than 6000 PR0 links. Hey...you can keep your delusion I don't really care. If you think I will kiss your arse because you run some link service you are wrong. And if you also think running TNX suddenly gives you some extra insight...again...you are wrong. Explain how else you earn money from that site? And if it wasn't Google it would be someone else. I was actually here BEFORE Google was even launched...been using the web since 1994. I won't cheer for Google until it tells me exactly how much it takes from me on clicks. If you use adsense and get 10 cents a click...who is to say that Google isn't charging the advertiser a $1. There is almost no way to be sure. And I won't be a fan of Google as long as it tries to tell me how I can make money. If I want to sell links...I am gonna sell them. Google isn't my friend...money is my friend. Google needs US more than we need them. Be sure of that. If they fall apart....another service will pick up the slack. Oh...prove it? Another contradiction. If it's BETTER to have PR2 than PR0 then why is PR nearly useless? No the outcome is NOT the same. As I pointed out..having thousands of links will greatly increase the chance that Google thinks you are part of a link scheme (bad neighborhoods and all) and flag your site for a penalty. It willl be hard to have THOUSANDS of relative links from a service link Coop, Link vault, or TXN and have them relevant. It's VERY easy to have a handful of top relevent high ranking high pagerank sites that will quickly increase your own PR and SERP position. I won't say PR0 is a useless link but certainly it's LESS desirable than a PR2+ link even you admit this. So at face value I really don't understand your position on it. Shocker that you run TNX with your attitude about PR. Looking at those "tips" from your signature...it's pretty funny. They are all geared to make your service appear perfect. And now your site doesn't rank at all for those terms. Shouldn't that tell you something? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=en&hs=Pwr&q=site:www.tnx.net
What I personally find ridiculous is grown up adults who are running their own websites and webservers, etc, worrying about what one company, Google thinks. As far as TNX ads manipulating the SERP's - an advertiser would have to keep an ad on a site permanently. Let's face it, nobody does that. Most people don't run ads more than a month. Hardly enough time to get a permanent foothold on even a few prized niche keywords.