title tag stuffed, no description tag but high rankings

What are you backing this up with? I can make any statement I want without backing it up, but that doesn't make it a fact.

 

well sorry I did not mean to sound like its a fact but my experience says that is
how it is, I thought (for some strange reason) that everybody thought the same
about MSN.

But since you asked:

My theory was based on the fact that I recently changed my title
from something that included the words: chios map greece into just
"Chios map, Chios Greece" on one of the pages on my site
http://hausfay.com and now I come on first page on the following searches
on MSN (chios map) (chios Greece) http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=chios+map&Form=MSNHB
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=chios+greece&FORM=QBRE

and that without doing anything else on the site for that time period.
The change in MSN serps was realized in a few days from the change on my
page.

Anyway its not possible to know what exactly goes under the hood of MSN's
search we can only make educated guesses (I think that is obvious to any
SEO)

 

Hi SEOWEBGUIDE - Don't know your name, so I apologize.

You are missing a big, big thing here.

People perform SEO for money, most promise their clients results, if they do not achieve those results, they lose money. Their clients lose potential business as well. Reporting a website is the wrong thing to do, let them keep their fame.

Here's what YOU should do, and yes, I am telling you what to do here:

Make your website better than their spammy website. These spam tactics will always work, and always go unnoticed. For every site you see legitimate, you'll find there are hundreds of illegitimate websites as well.

I have a domain that got indexed in one day, ranked in one day, and has kept that position. No spammy titles, and two lines of text. I will give the domain if I am hired to perform SEO services.

Your website for instance, could be improved upon a lot, to increase its ranking... and it's all simple points that you left out. The fact that you are selling SEO services on it, I will not tell you what those are.

The main point I'm trying to make here is focus on your clients' websites, forget the others that want to spam search engines. Just remember SEO isn't a game, and there are many people that feed their children off of their income... call it whatever you want, it's a living.

I don't spam my clients websites myself, for my own reasons.

 

If anybody finds my posting negative, I apologize. It is just trying to blow off steam that I have inside from people that want to complain when they could simply do what is right and let others make their mistakes. It's a simple life lesson that should be practiced - and I didn't always think that way.

 

Part of Black Hat defense it to file a complaint with Google.

Many of the "modern" SEOed sites are not using the meta description. They are relying on Google to "create it" for them. It usually comes from the Title and first line of the first paragraph.

As for MSN, they now will display and use the "<META NAME="DC.Description" tag before the <META NAME="Description". I'm using both as a test(as of 2007-09-10). See view source of my home page (www.catanich.com) and run a search on MSN for "Internet Marketing Dallas Texas". Yahoo doesn't use either of them from what I see.

Hummm...

Use <META NAME="Description" for Google and <META NAME="DC.Description" for MSN. As for Yahoo, ???