Ivan honey, I'll take responsibility for that. This thread started out in DMOZ because there's a pattern the DMOZ threads take. Newbie asks a genuine question Newbie gets a sensible answer the trolls move in the editors move in the broken record gets played, yet again. I reckon at point #2 they should all get closed, however I will be relying on your posts to alert the mods to threads that have run their course!