I was not aware B,C and R made any such admissions? How does something that doesn't exist get looted? How do 1500 gallons of chemical wmd appear in Iraq when they don't exist? How did zarqawi get 20 tons of chemical wmd (VX) when they didn't exist? Apparently there are no answers for these tough questions.
can you post any real news source that verifys that? the vx part, a bunch of stuff got looted ... I guess theoretically they when they looted they took the lost ark , and maybe the holy grail too, might as well be wmds, could have been
Lets see, are most brillant people (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Kerry, and even Clinton ) all admitted at one time or another the intellgence they had strongly suggested there where WMD. Sorry but compare the education of Michael Moore and Cindy Sheean to people like Bush and Rice. There without a doubt was WMD's, hell the they used them on the Kurds. Don't get me wrong maybe Iraq did destroy their WMD's but why couldn't they follow UN regs? Why are the regulations in place if there is no one is going to enforce them? Freeing the people in Iraq is a noble cause in itself. The UN is like a principal that doesn't punish for breaking the rules that they set, it leads to chaos and bigger problems. The United States had to take a stand against terror at that time before bigger problems arised. What would we be debating right now if we had not gone into Iraq and a dirty bomb would of gone off in a Major US city that came from Iraq? Freedom has to be defended folks. Sorry for the grammer errors, its late and I should really get to bed.
I could, but then you would dismiss it, like you've apparently done with the NYTimes article that goes into details. Perhaps because you simply don't want to accept it? I've seen no one refute it. Not one person. No one's willing to stand up and say the sources are wrong and back it up with sources?
What a shame gworld, I would have figured you would be "the one" to attempt to discredit the facts. Won't you, please?
If you presented any facts, I would certainly answer but what can I say about your VX stories. You talk about Iraq, there is no proof that Iraq ever had VX. The only countries that have VX are USA, Russia, France and Syria claims to have it but not sure. VX is very dangerous nerve gas, were did this terrorists got the technical capacity to carry it? Most likely they would be the first one dead if they come in contact with it. Why should they carry it to Jordan from Iraq? Wasn't easier to use it in Iraq where the war is if they had access to it? Why should they use explosives, you destroy VX by burning it and explosion is not an efficient method for nerve gas use, it is most effective through inhaling or skin contact. don't you think that if the terrorist had the technical capability to steal it and carry it, they would also know how to use it? All this information can be found and verified on the INTERNET. Wikipedia.org is a good place to start. search for VX.
What do you suggest isn't factual? That zarqawi didn't ship 20 tons of wmd to iraq? That wmd were not looted before and after the initial invasion? That chemical wmd were not found less than two weeks ago in Iraq? Sorry but the rest of your post is simply speculation. I certainly wouldn't classify "why would they carry it to jordan?" as refuting what's been presented. Is it really that tough to navigate around solid evidence?
If they say in fox news that they have found a monkey that flies, would you believe it? I hope not, think and see if it makes any sense.
gworld, I get it. You don't want it to be true. It would be a serious blow to the rationalization you've used and would require some back peddling to come up with another reason to oppose the war. I didn't expect you would counter anything. After all, the NY Times is one of the best resources for the anti-war crowd, yet amazingly they cover an important story about WMD being looted before and after the war started. This goes hand in hand with David Kay's findings that wmd were sent to Syria. The Jordan wmd plot was carried by some, but not a lot of MSM sources. USAToday carried it. But for the most part, many MSM sources ignored it all together. Why wouldn't they? It could have potentially swayed the elections and they were not going to publish anything that could potentially benefit Bush. None the less, it did happen and as of May/June of 2005, the perpetrators who worked and trained for and with zarqawi in Iraq, are on trial in Jordan. As to the latest findings in Iraq of chemical wmd. They were found. What can you say? Not much really. How could one offer reaonable commentary, other than "they have found a monkey that flies, would you believe it?" You're not going to give it any weight. I can accept that. I'm more than satisfied that "if they have found a monkey that flies, would you believe it?" is the best you have to offer. I don't think you could have provided a more insightful comment.
Just decided to post 14 pages into it. Her son lost his life in a war. If that gives her the desire to camp out at the President's doorstep until the end of his administration then so be it. If anybody here has outlived their children, you can understand what she has gone through. If not, I wouldn't be so quick to criticize. You can talk politics all you want, but you haven't lost a son or a daughter. If something were to happen to one of my kids and I had a single person that I could place the blame on, you can bet I'd do a lot more than camp out and try to embarrass him.
Here is a link to the whole article gtech http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2005/0313systematic.htm It doesn't really say jack about wmd , some "equipment capable" could mean anything. A centirfuge , a scale to weight dope on, test tubes etc. Dude there are centrifuges at a lot of large university labs, it doesn't mean they a wmd Gtech the article absolutely does not say WMDs where looted, did you read it?
Gtech here is a link to the supposed vx article http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118203,00.html Some guys says he bought 20 tons of chemicals, of course there is no VX , no actually proof that he bought 20 tons of anything. Theorectially he could have spent the money on cocaine and hookers and just made up that story when he was caught to cover his ass here is another article whihc says they did actually get some "chemicals" http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/jordan.terror/ I'm pretty sure I can buy sulfuric acid legally, not quite the same as vx Pretty much your news stories are BS , there was no WMDs, yeah they were going to try to create a toxic chemical bomb, out of poisioness chemicals, but not quite the same as military chem weapons, from saddam
ferret Gtech can not be bothered with facts. He has heard this on fox news and that is enough for him. Did you hear about the latest from Fox: "an unidentified man has been arrested with an unidentified chemical in an unidentified place by an unidentified government and now we have a proof that Iraq had WMD. "
Having lost a son in an auto accident I can honestly say you don't know this until it happens. I was angry at first and almost killed the boy who hit us on the side of the road, but, after careful consideration I called the young man up 2 days after "his name was Brent Johnson if you are curious if I remember" and told him I forgave him and that he should not let this destroy him, he should remain strong, finish school, and teach his kids what not to do. He wept and told me how sorry he was, I did my best to comfort him. So, you see, you ALWAYS have a choice, I could have killed him easily on the side of the road, I could have blamed him and held onto a rage until it destroyed me, but, I CHOSE to do it the other way. Her son is a hero, he died what in my opinion is the most honorable way to die, in service to the country he loved and CHOSE to defend. I am in no way saying she doesn't have the right to protest, if thats what helps her cope, to point a finger at a blameless man, so be it. The truth of the matter is still Bush didn't pull the trigger, or plant the roadside bomb, or shell her son's camp, it was the people that the military is there trying to stop. In closing, know that I have absolutely no love for George Bush, but, he is our President and he is in control, no amount of protesting his ranch, crying, screaming or hatred is going to make him pull out of Iraq, which I cannot blame him for, if he leaves now, almost anyone could become the next Saddam Hussain very easily. I am also not saying that Bush is not serving some of his own interests, show me a politician that says he/she doesn't and I will show you a liar.