Ok , whatever floats your boat. I feel sorry for anyone who loses a son or daughter in war or anywhere else for that matter. With that being said I do not feel sorry for a person who asks for it and then doesnt like it when it comes.
It is so stupid that you people blame her for changing her mind. Do you still believe that the world is flat or sun rotates around the earth? After all that was the popular belief at some time. I don't how much she has learned or knows during this time but the ability to progress, adopt and discard illogical beliefs is a sign of intelligence but on the other hand the people who blame her never think or try to learn, so they don't need to change their mind about anything.
You can't blame them for making money, that is the American way. War, death and killing is the unfortunate side effect of their business enterprise.
Okay, I've been convinced by Zman in PM to ask this, but: I think we can all tell just by looking at Sheehan that she's a diehard Hippie, right? The uncomb hair, no makeup, tattoos all around her ankle, etc. She's an aging hippie, because this is how all female aging hippies look like. We all know she was smoking pot during Woodstock (or wish she was there) and doing her best "flower power" impersonations during the '60s and '70s, and probably protesting Reagan in the '80s, right? So how does the son of a diehard hippie grow up to join the Army???? I'm not saying anything about Sheehan being right or wrong, etc, I just can't figure out that last part. I know some kids grow up to rebel against their parents, so do you think that's what happened? Very curious about this.
1 point: Millions were convinced the war was right based on UK documents STOLEN from a 10 year old thesis. AS she and her son probably were. Since then HER son has died and she has discovered that the war was WRONG. She has changed her mind and being a media WHORE as you put it is the only way to get attention and try to STOP anymore dying. Leaving Iraq is no longer an option. Do you guys not see the ONLY people saying the war was OK are from the US????? Do you think the rest of the world wants you to be wrong ? I dont care if she wears a bright pink wet tshirt to make a point.... isnt a flying cokehead landing on a battleship media whoring??? These days it IS the way the world works, Im sure every other antiwar mother whose son is dead that is quietly saying "its wrong" is getting well respected but getting NO attention. Yes she is using her son, she HAS to..and if it saves someone elses son then its a good thing. Too many people here are talking about war like its a video game or TV show.. Have you ever heard a bullet fly over your heads ? Have you ever seen someone die att the hands of another ? So, Zman you feel no sympathy for someone that died even though they knew they might??? Obviously you have no comprehension of someone dying, because if you did then you would feel sympathy REGARDLESS of what their ideology was in the first place. Most soldiers are 17ish when they sign up... so Kids cant make mistakes huh?? So what if she was a 'hippy' I have never seen anyone smoke weed and go shoot someone, or cause a fight..
I don't know about this specific case but here is the why for others according to military stats: "Factors Influencing Propensity Regardless of their propensity for military service, YATS respondents are asked to provide, in their own words, reasons for joining and not joining the military. The most frequently mentioned reasons for joining are money for college, job training and/or experience, duty to country, pay, travel, and self-discipline. Most young men and women see postsecondary education as the key to prosperity and job security. The percent of youth going to college is increasing, and YATS results show that young people are aware that the military offers money for a college education. Educational funding is the most frequently cited reason for enlisting, and the percent of youth mentioning education funding is growing. ............................ For many noncollege youth, military service offers an opportunity for job experience and specialized training. CONCLUSION Both men’s and women’s propensity remain substantially below pre-drawdown levels and, if past experience is a guide, below the levels needed to meet increased accession requirements while maintaining the high quality required for today’s military. These findings underscore the need for college funds to attract an important segment of college-bound youth (those needing money). Many other youth, however, are attracted by the prospects of job training and experience, and by the discipline universally viewed as intrinsic to military service. To meet recruiting goals, DoD must address the needs of all market segments." http://www.defenselink.mil/execsec/adr98/apdx_g.html
DA, putting words in my mouth is my job. I never said I feel no sympathy for the person that died. Go back and read my post, Im too lazy to be repeating myself tonight. I said I have no sympathy for someone who sold her soul to the left wing orgs and then isnt happy that people pointed it out. My sister is in Bagdad with the Air Force and I would have a hell of a hard time grasping reality for quite a while if she was taken in a fight, but I sure as f**k wouldnt say "Bush is a very compassionate man" and then a year later at the request of the left wing of this country "change my mind". I have no sympathy for Sheenan. She sold out to those who have a political agenda. She is allowing them to use her sons death to further what they want. Simple really. She isnt using her son, the left wingers are. They have just offered her a first class seat for the ride.
Why aweful? Do you think it is aweful that she says America is not worth dying for when her son signed up willing to die for it? I always wonder what he would think if he could look up and see what is happening. Personally, I would find it insulting. I wouldnt be able to find the words. As I said, I have sympathy for her son, it sucks. I HAD sympathy for her until this happened.
"With that being said I do not feel sorry for a person who asks for it and then doesnt like it when it comes." - kinda says I ate a meal that I knew was off, so I cant complain about my stomach ache the way I read it. left wingers?? that makes you right wing I guess.. birds and planes have wings to me. To me there is actually no such thing.... its a big long line from left to right and everywhere inbetween. people become 'left wing' to counter balance the 'right wing' and vice versa. Go have a look at Bill Gates campaign contributions and you will see NO left or right. Just a corporate funded govt. I am of the belief whoever gets in power HAS to do exactly the same, so take a bush or clinton, a blair or a howard it makes no difference anymore.. Iraq had WHAT to do with binladen? Iraq had WHAT to do with ALmadeuporganisationthatcancoveranyonethatdisagrees? Ok so based on the example of your sis: right now you believe the war is justified - but maybe in the future you wont. Opinions can change. Tomorrow bush could save my life and I will love him forever... I dont think she is 'allowing her sons death to be used' to me its a case of "my son is dead, he will NOT die in vain. What 'they' want is less war Twin towers = political agenda Iran = political agenda China = political agenda Korea = political agenda Axis of evil = political agenda Its just the 'left wingers'. IMO the trouble is the 'left wingers' are much weaker and wont fight back like the 'right wingers' the 'left wingers' have a "Cindy" whereas the right wingers have almost everything else. When the mexicans and blacks in the US realise their votes are being stolen then the political situation in the US will erupt.
zman You are such a passionate and smart man, are you sure that it sucks to be dead? What happens if he looks up from the grave and agree that it sucks that he is dead for nothing, are you going to take back your sympathy?
No offense man, but I think you clearly need to re-evaluate you views and values. You seem a little too wrapped up in being a "right wing" conservative. So much so that you have no sympathy for a woman who lost her son. And just because she doesn't agree with your views. That's pretty sad- IMO.
Nope, not at all. Read the article about me found on the front page of the Reno Gazette Journal not to long ago. Ive been arguing with both Republicans and Democrats. I really cant stand either. Im an Independent and will be backing an Independent running for Gov here in Nevada Next year. No right wing for me. G, seriously bro, that is a sad attempt at a "gotcha". It sucks that he died. A is for apple...
That is your opinion. Your entitled to it just as I am mine. Huh? Why is it that anytime I disagree with an anti war person or someone who backs an anti war person the labels come out. Look dude, I curse like a sailor, drink like a fish and support pot being legal. Im not sure where you get right wing out of that but whatever turns your crank.
LOL. Now that was funny! I bash both sides plenty bro. EDIT: I even tried to give you green rep for that, It cracked me up man.
conservative independent huh? or is it independent conservative huh? protest warriors ?? hold your own rallies, dont gatecrash others - that sounds like trouble to me.. So you like the principles, just not the way its run... I dont find that independent personally. No offence, I dont know the ins and outs of your politics.. Any chance you feel like responding to anything I actually had to say ?
Yes. That is exactly what I am. I'll lay out the reasons. I am Independent because A) I should be responsible for my own life. I am Conservative because A) The country was working fine back in the day B) I think the constitution was created for a purpose and we should hold to it C) I am an unabashed capitalist Actually trouble is when I have to stop in the middle of an intersection to watch people spit on a flag and shout out against America. They have that right, I also have the right to counter them. It's called freedom, it cant work for just one side. Bro I get death threats, dont worry about offending me. Its possible, but I usually dont respond to posts that seem to point my posts out as somehow invalid due to a disagreement. Gworld is one of the few because his are quite entertaining.