Yeah Chaos forgot me. I'm pretty live and let live but for the purposes of this forum, f#ck your cult.
People will respect what they think is right/wrong. I hate Christianity and everything about it, im not going to INSULT your religion unless your insult my beliefs. Also, if your in a debate, you need to learn to not take things too seriously. I need to put out facts as to why I dont believe in Christianity, its not insults to your religion and intelligence. At the end of the day it depends on what you think is right and wrong. I wont respect a religion that "hates black people and wants Jews dead" because in my eyes, thats messed up. Simplyg, you think all nonbelievers tend to be rude? Thats fine, you can think that. But it works the other way around, us non believers think you believers are many things. Since we all have the freedom to say what we want, everyone in this thread needs to stop bashing each other personally, and get back on the debate topic. Let me try to start a new topic issue, those who do believe, WHY do you believe? What does God do for you in your daily life that makes him so great? Im being serious, im interested.
I have no idea what religion you are talking about here but I can say that in all religion there will be people who hate blacks and hate jews, and even hate the color of roses. Of course there's people like that in Christianity. Same for the non-believers too. I know some Athiests who don't like blacks too. You can't blame a who group for a couple of people. Why would you want to know that. You hate Christianity and everything about it. You are just looking for a war. You want one, I'm ready.
I know. Its all over the bible. Let them laugh, let them blah blah... I don't follow the bible, or some of it anyway. I'm not a Christian. I'm an Ex-Christian. Diff. Religion.
First off, Respect has nothing to with right or wrong. By saying you hate something someone believes in, you are insulting those that do believe. I have never insulted your beliefs, I accept totally that you believe what you believe. As a matter of fact I'm 50/50 on the subject. I, to be quite honest, Don't know if there is a God. If anything I would be agnostic. The only thing I take seriously is immature mocking and name calling, that I have to punish my children for. If one cannot act like a grown up, stay out of grownup conversations. Again, respect has nothing to do with right or wrong, it is a much deeper concept than that. I agree, that would be pretty messed up. But as long as they arent harming people with their belief, they have the right to believe what they want. Again, Though there was a time when i was, im not really a believer anymore, I have lost a lot of faith, faith in the bible, in God, in religion altogether, but i'm sure you do have many names for believers, and you don't mind expressing them either. agreed I can tell you what i used to believe. There was a time in my life, when everything was wrong.. I went through really bad, hard times. To make a long story short, Christianity gave me the strength to get back on my feet, and stand again. I had a strong support group, I had friends calling and checking on me, life was good, life was great. However, the more I read the bible, and the strict rules we are meant to live by, I started doubting. Doubting that the God that loves me soooo much, is so selfish. I started wondering, what kind of god is this that tells me to bow to him, worship him? I started asking God, and begging God for answers. I got no answer. The God that created the world, doesn't have the power to answer little ole me. Well this initiated my decent in faith. And I must say, since I have stopped trying to follow every rule, I have found tremendous freedom, on the downside, with that freedom comes the freedom to swear, to yell, to be mean and hateful. There is no longer anything telling me i can be this way, except my own values. My own values tell me being rude is wrong, swearing is not nice, and I try to refrain, but then i find myself bound again. Well that's my story. This is why I tend to lean more to religion, their just plain nicer.
well, i think of it this way You live so that you can make more life You might think life is cruel if it is purely to carry on life, but without life... there isn't life... So
GrAveTzT's calm down. A war? lol your acting like your suiting up for a great epic battle. Chill out trigger happy, im just asking a simple question. Yea, I hate everything about it. But this isnt JUST my topic and im sick of seeing people fight eachother instead of the debate. Plus, I really am curious as to what God has to offer to you every day. Does he bring you milk and cookies at night? Does he wash your clothes? Does he help you make money at work? And the reference to a religion that "hates black people" is a point im trying to prove. So dont try to dumb me down like im stupid. Simply, im not name calling anyone. Im trying to stop it all and get back at the debate on hand. I understand what you mean in a hard time its good to have support from people who actually care (or seem like they do). The idea that in hard times, this one guy loves you is a good feeling. But after a while, like you said, your questions don't get answered. You begin to wonder. I too had my go at Christianity when I went through a tuff time. Hell I even went to Private Christain Elementary/Middle School. After having a class DEDICATED to religion, and every where I turn is RELIGION RELIGION RELIGION, I grew up and began to question it all. We were taught in school, this is right. This is what you believe. We were kids, we went along with it. From when I tried to get close to God, like you simply, I never got answers. The support from the peers at the Church was great, but it was from them ,not God.
sounds like we might be in the same boat. You know the amazing part though, is the bible. The bible in my opinion, is a treasure chest of wisdom. Whether God is real or not, I believe a lot of the values in the bible are awesome. The book is genius in many ways. I did find issues with many scriptures. There was one part where Abraham was supposed to sacrifice his own son to God. Why would a loving God ask a man to do this. Just to prove his obedience? Just to prove his faith? Very selfish God. I guess my biggest issue, was waiting to be heard. I got tired of asking, and begging. Id hear others say how God spoke to them about a certain scripture or whatever. My question is, how do you know its God and not your own conscience, or thoughts? I waited for him for years. Check out some of the old threads here in P&R. You will see I was a die hard bible thumper. Another big issue, is the bible itself. Though i believe it is a genius work, I am told it is 100% accurate and true. And that means God can be quite an As*hole, (no offense) "Bow to me or suffer my wrath" sorry, but i dont need God to tell me that's not cool. Not to mention, the bible was basically picked apart by one of the most corrupt religions in the world. Catholicism, is more of a dictatorship than a religion. Yet im supposed to believe God kept the important parts intact. I just dont know.
~ Atheists can not define life anymore than anyone else and will never be at ease with nature, the Garden, by not knowing it and will ultimately cease having even their own self respect....albeit that they may ultimately prevail would be to a vacuum than sustenance.
Faith is something that is required in order to believe in God. Without faith no one can argue with you because your mind is made up. Which is perfectly fine, you walk your own path. Many people say "religion". I however don't consider it a religion, it's more of a relationship with God. How you use your relationship is up to you, as long as you remember God and his word in things you do that is all it takes. Organized religion isn't my cup of tea, as I think its wrong that big churches use the word of god to make themselves a profit, now thats wrong. God would rather have 10% of your time, then 10% of your money. What ever you decide is up to you know one can make up your mind for you.
I agree 100% with everything you have said. Faith is my big issue. I once had it, but after years of no answers, no personal relationship, and a feeling of imprisonment to the bible and its rules, it slowly slipped away. I was a member of a house church, which i really liked, because it was much easier to learn within a smaller group. However they were very biblical, with everything. From Paul's statement that said God commanded women to be silent in church to excommunication of those that refused to change their ways. There was a thick since of accountability held upon you, which is where i was feeling imprisoned. When i left and stopped going, I felt so free, but my mind and soul still seek answers. Needless to say the house church, which was once about 30 people strong, no longer exists. Now i have problems with most churches, because i have learned many commands that God has given, that are never even considered, and no one is held accountable. Its as if, you can do whatever you like, just make it to church to ask for forgiveness and bring a check.
"I guess my biggest issue, was waiting to be heard. I got tired of asking, and begging. Id hear others say how God spoke to them about a certain scripture or whatever. My question is, how do you know its God and not your own conscience, or thoughts? I waited for him for years. Check out some of the old threads here in P&R. You will see I was a die hard bible thumper. " Well put. Well damn put. Kind of like placebo effect. "Is God talking to me? Yea sure he is, sounds right." No doubt, the bible is an amazing piece of literature. But it seems more fiction then REAL things that happened. And yes, if its 100% true God is a 'douche'. After you analyze a lot of stuff, you can see you dont need a religion to function. (not all people, but those who dont believe). That doesnt mean complete chaos, I still have morales and values, that I put in place myself and follow. You need to be in control of your own life, and I dont think owing it all to some dead guy (no offense) is some way to live your life. I believe strongly in following your own self, your own thoughts, dreams, values, morales. The way I see it, a God just slows you down.
Atheist don't believe in religion nor god etc,..so in reality he isn't bashing anything or any one. What's funny is that, the book that is based on religion is bashing and threating the life of Infidels and of different religion or a religion of the same faith that doesn't always agree with them. Amen and god bless you for saying that, st0x. (no pun intended). I think that is how they grew, they do not want criticism and those that questions are excommunicated/ostracize from the community. There must be an organization that will keep this religionist (what I like to call them) in line, and an organization that will take a former believer back into reality,..deprogrammed institution to bring them back to Earth, I think it's time for such a place to exist. Respect comes in two ways, not one way. Do you listen or read what you type? For me I could careless if you believe or worship a tomato, in fact believing in a tomato might even be better because physically it's there and once it ripens you can eat it. Here's how to give respect: Leave you beliefs at home Worship in a establishment such as a church with no advertisement of crosses or marquee of b.s. text. Don't go in the corner of the street and preach Stay the F-out of schools and any other public places. Don't get involve in the politics Shut da F-out Make churches pay taxes Stay away from children Follow that and we get along well. I can respect my neighbor believing on whatever he/she likes as long as it is done away from me then fine and it is none of my business. But if you keep talking nonsense and making religion to be the default of life in which we know that it isn't you had just disrespected my way of life, which you have done. Exactly and somewhere what you wrote is correct, that some beliefs deserve some form of respect by way of letting them be, but unfortunately, no one is keeping them in check and they have gone and grew so much that it has threaten a way of life for those that do not seek any kind of beliefs other than what is logical to them, you see, religion are the ones that had force many people to believe in what they think, it came about more as a political rather than believing, it is controlling of people for power and money and this has gone for centuries and will keep on continuing unless there are some form of keeping them in check. If you follow up in the news about a man of faith that got his life crumbled later on life and starts shooting his entire family and friends because god told him/her to, this headline news is too commmon, sure you could say that it is just a few or that it's coming from a derrange lunatic and religion has nothing to do with it, but it religion does have all the responsibility, because the book and the leaders they choose to listen told them mix messages and many other garbage's that usually leads to horrific details that we hear in the news, I mean this happens quite a bit. In Christian religion they almost promote murder, they don't literally say go murder someone, but if you go on any Baptist church, a preacher will say this that Abraham had murdered, Moses had murdered and the other guy murdered and the way it sounded to me as if they are promoting murder, considering Abraham started this whole thing and everyone has heard of Moses and they were murderers, this tells those people that if at anytime in your life you get there, all one has to do is ask for forgiveness or accept jesus and you're forgiven. When you hear someone that had just killed his entire family, before he blows he's head off, he prayed to be forgiven, that gave him the assurance that he will be forgiven after his death and will go to heaven. Scary. On the Muslim side I'm sure you've heard about the suicide bombers that if he takes on this jihad he will go to heaven and 70 virgins awaits him, now this bomber just killed a lot of people. Question; did the person choose to blow those people up or did religion have a lot to do with it? Some will answer that it was the person. But if it weren't for the religion itself then most likely those will never happen. Before any one says that religion has nothing to do with it or deny because it's not religion it's the man, but religion is man made, blame man? Sure, you could say that because there's no existence of this fairy tale that made says there is, so yes, man is to blame for what he created, which is religion. For the most part, "religion" needs to be check to be balance, this anti-critism of it or what they call blasphemy needs to be there, it is one of the way to keep them in check. Actually most really do not take religion seriously or do not follow it the way their books say and most American are Agnostics which means they are 50/50. Some could claim to have a membership of 1,5 billion Christians and 1.3 billion Muslim, those numbers are not accurate. 90% world population are more into "Not Sure", they aren't really Christians and not really Muslims either, not true does not qualify one to be. I was raised Christian, was I included in those numbers even though I was a child of a parent that "went along" because they were surrounded and or was force to go along with by means of political or economics. The old ways, you either convert or beheaded, now it's politics and economics, regardless if you accept it, you're headless either way. In the olden days, a farmer would mind his business farming, then horses with men came along told the farmers they were can either die in a brutal matter or convert as Christian or Muslim (both did this tactics), take your pick they say.
By Cluong: Then you are making the topic in order to bring in the Christians to bash them and fight obviously since you hate everything about it. There's no way you will respect anything that anyone says since you hate everything about it. And God does offer the average Christian a security of life if this is really what they need. This may include more money, milk & cookies, and possibly the strength to be able to get your clothes cleaned. Ok, ok, but I'm seriously asking you now what religion are you talking about? KKK? Crazy world. I got the opposite. I got the support from God but I just couldn't handle the greedy churches and and people. by simply Gotta be careful about the chruch every week bible thumpers. I have a sister in law who seems to heavily be into that but the problem is her thoughts are built totally on what others teach. Others as in people. Its kind of like a competition for popularity. If you are a good follower and its really important you can change the direction of the wind with the power that God has that lives in you. No doubt(choice of words aside). Typically in the old testiment you can read about some of the extremely agressive tactics by God. Of course they were meant for the better of the people, but still. Pretty mean at times. The rules of the old testiment do not comply as the game changed from Jesus though. Its tough to accept. I have a problem someplace else in the bible which I happen to not agree with entirely. There's no way for me to work it out while I'm alive. It can't be explained. It was not really picked apart, it was just read by people who decided to understand it the way they wanted to understand it. Its not the bible, its just them reading it wrong. You can still read it right if you want. by wwws: The bible is almost a book of love. You have not read it........obviously. The whole new Test. is about someone who was born in order to pay a penalty of death in order to save the entire world of all people for eternity. I know there is one for you and him. Its the Earth and TV. Everyone one follows something. Have you seen all of these 10yr old run around after those boy bands? Should they follow these rules too. How about people who love hockey, bet on hockey, dream about hockey, drink from a hockey mug? What about people who jog, want to look the best, eat not-carb diet stuff, live to health? The rules you are provided will leave no one in the world and you are acting like you own the world and all christians are trying to grab a piece of it. Any reason why you think that the Athiest have ownership rights for being outside than any other religion. 1. Lots of people don't leave their beliefs at home on lots of different topics. I own a pet store and some people come in and say that they believe that bunnies should not be pets because they are food. Others say fish because they are stupid. Those people stay in forever? 2. No worship huh? How about when Guns n' Roses came locally to me and 10,000 people wearing a top hat started putting their hands up and got naked together to run in the mud to dance to their greatest band. Guns N' Roses "Hail Guns' N' Roses!!!" 3. I agree. Other religions are worse but there is the bad egg who does this in every religion. I hate telemarketers too. They should be stopped. 4. Public places are not under an ownership of Athiests so why would you act like average Christians are not allowed there. seriously. 5. meh 6. This is stupid what you said. I don't get it at all. 7. Sure churches should pay taxes if that's true then so should red cross and any business. I don't pay tax for my business because I claim it. Change it all? I think its right. 8. How about all people stay away from children. People who wear black. They could be evil. People who wear sports clothes. They could be violent. Old people. Their information they give out could be outdated. Young people. They don't know nothing. People with glasses. Jefferey Dahmur wore glasses so they might eat the child. What Christians have you been hanging around? If you have a kid I wouldn't be too worried about a christian who the kid may take to. I'd be worried more more dangerous people instead. Common knowledge.
Interesting. I had a debate with a friend a while ago and I tried to argue that it would be cool if they will breed humans only for scientific research. I argued that (not that I support it, just for the philosophy of debating), if brain researchers had a fresh and healthy 18-year old human brain on their table every day and were free to experiment with it as much as they want, humanity will finally understand the only organ which it does not understand: the brain, simply due to the fact that experiments are not allowed and impossible. This would enable to cure many kinds of brain diseases and syndromes which have no cure today: from Alzheimer through schizophrenia to extreme religious devoutness, just by taking a pill !! (so I argue). My question: If this will be realised, isn't it true that this tribe of humans which (the rest of) humanity will breed only for brain research, can be defined as: ...... ? .....
Life is definable and we do just fine with nature. It's the crazies who await Armageddon that are saying pollution isn't an issue and we shouldn't worry since "God" will fix the mess humans have made. You ever think that, even your Dog is an Atheist?
by wwws He did fine. He paid the penalty of sin which is death for mankind. Now people have the freedom to be able to be allowed to sin and not suffer that consequence. Of course this is given to all that want to believe. Its not psychosis, its spiritual and non-christians like yourself will never be able to get it. Let it go. Because you don't understand it does not mean it doesn't exist. Or anything for that matter. Anyone who has created a theory on anything will fall under this category. You point a finger at just one religion? Atheists don't have this default. You'd be surprised on how many people believe in a higher power. They are not all blabby loud mouths. They are everywhere. The earth does not have ownership to atheists. that's stupid. And while we're on the topic. Yes, Atheists do. The average Atheist does not even need a christian around and they still fuss on the topic out of some rage that is deep within them. They automatically have this urge to hate it without a reason. And a few others who stalk. You said they are and that's stupid. Not as much nonsense as your thoughts that you have a ownership contract over the world because your an Atheist. I just said I OWN a retail store. I think I got it. I knew that you would say something like this becuase of how stupid you sounded when you said that Christians should stay away from children. You just judged several million people and you have not even heard of them before. I don't talk to me like that. Your not cool and you arn't winning no conversation. You've proved you are the one who is sick in the head. Read to teach them that all christians are rapists and killers. Think about it. You are stupid as hell. You started off normal here but then you, all of a sudden, turn into a little bit of a dink. If you don't understand what I'm saying then go back to school. These are not difficult conversation sentences that I'm putting together here. And ChaosTrivia, that post has no value. Your not right and your not cool either. Go ahead and laugh. Laugh it up. Me, you and everyone else will find out. Life is short. Thinking like an Atheist I like my odds better than yours. If I'm right I'm saved, if I'm wrong I'm with you. Nothing and gone.
My spider doesn't believe in your superstitions. It believes that crickets are food, and that my hand is not. It has a simple view of the world that has worked for 300 million years.