'This is like apartheid': ANC veterans visit West Bank

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  2. gauharjk

    gauharjk Notable Member

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    Yes my friend, it is apartheid. I don't know when this blockade would be removed. And look at counties of Saudi Arabia, defenders of the Holy Cities, doing nothing for the Palestinians... These people are raking in billions of dollars in profit from oil and gas every month... But they won't do anything other than complain about Hezbollah and Hamas.

    And why is God doing nothing? Who's gonna answer that question? When was the last time God did anything?
     
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    atvking Active Member

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    have you guys not learned anything lol?

    when israel or america does something wrong its never wrong or killing or apartheid...its "right" and "liberation" and "national security" or "collateral damage"...you see they have the biggest guns and the self approved right to claim that their turd smells like perfume...

    live and learn from the americans and israelis guys...guns rule the world and if you aint got them you are as good as dead...
     
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    My dad told me, that when he was a kid, Before the "Intifada", He and his family went to Jenin to buy Pitas. without any roadblocks in the way. without what you call "apartheid". These roadblocks, save many lives now.
    So if you ask me what do i chose - Suicide bombers in our cities, or limit the movement of the "Palestinians". I chose option 2.
     
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    Can you explain us how some roadblock in middle of West Bank will stop suicide bomber to enter Israel?

    Also, can you explain us how same roadblock in the middle of West bank will stop Israeli Arab to commit suicide attack (a lot of suicide attackers were actually Israeli Arabs so they didn't have to come from West Bank)?

    Thanks in advance for your answers.
     
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    Wow iggysick, finally we can have a civilized conversion. I hope we will both keep argue in those tones.

    "Can you explain us how some roadblock in middle of West Bank will stop suicide bomber to enter Israel?" - The Separate wall isn't completed yet, so without the roadblocks they can move freely from Judea and Samaria to the rest of Israel. moreover, There is more than 260,000 Jews in Judea and Samaria (not including east-Jerusalem).

    "Also, can you explain us how same roadblock in the middle of West bank will stop Israeli Arab to commit suicide attack (a lot of suicide attackers were actually Israeli Arabs so they didn't have to come from West Bank)?" -
    They don't stop Israeli Arabs, and that's exactly the last terror attacks were done by Israeli Arabs (who gets money and services like any other civilian in Israel). That's why I support expelling any Israeli Arab that support the Hamas, the Jihad, calling for destruction of Israel and so on..
     
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    We always had civilized conversations. It's just that when you have no answer you start posting irrelevant things and as I can see you simply don't have logic answers to questions been asked.

    You din't answered my question at all so I'll ask again: how some roadblock in the middle of West Bank would stop someone to enter Israel.

    So what stooped Israeli Arabs doing suicide attacks? Roadblocks or something else? Isn't that making claim that roadblocks stopped suicide bombers attacks a false statement?
    And as far as I remember you support "transfer" of all Palestinians from Israel and you see nothing wrong in that.
     
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    This is nothing new. Arabs are being discriminated even in Israel, let alone the West Bank.

    There was an incident a while ago of the daughter of the Brazilian council being detained for 6 hours with refusal to let her go, except after two calls from the head of Airport security. Why, because she carried the name "Leila" which sounded Arabic. Go figure.

    Peace,
     
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    Stop blowing up and killing Israelis and the roadblocks would come down.... geesh how much crying must one do? Sure sounds like a spoiled brat to me... waaa waaa waaa Johnny won't let me punch him!
     
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    Perhaps your God does not like people murdering civilians in his name.
     
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    If they stop bombing will Israel give up the land it has stolen?

    You are correct here, mabye you should tell this to former Israeli prime minister, Yitzhak Shamir

     
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    Browntwn, your capacity to hate Muslims, & extremely vile arrogance are legendary. While you condem every act of Palestinian resistance against oppression and occupation, you never raise any issues when israelis destroy entire city- centres with tons of bombs. People like you will be fully responsible for the destruction of America, that we witness today...
     
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    I have no hatred toward Muslims. Please show everyone where I have said anything vile about Muslims or stop your lying.

    I dislike people like you who think God will intervene in the political wars between man.
    I dislike people like you who think God will come to aid those who kill other Humans.
    I dislike people like you who think God takes a side against innocent people whomever they are.

    I don't care about your silly statements that America is being destroyed. We are as powerful as ever. Your words ring hollow.
     
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    Sure after some move back to Jordan and give the land back to Israel.

    Israel shares it land with peaceful people, that is obvious. Look who lives in Israel and compare to who can live peaceably in palestine. This has little to do with people and much to do with a little mohamud - with little man's syndrome.
     
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    Israel has proved it can not live peacefully side by side as former Israeli prime minister Shamir said, the zionists can not disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. the Palestinians will get their land back one day.
     
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    And now you will explain me how roadblocks in middle of West Bank stopping Israeli Arabs to commit suicide bombing attacks. I'm sure someone smart like you are can explain that instead of posting usual nonsense.
     
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    Answering that question Honestly will be a "politiacal and moral" sucide.
    The whole world is well aware of the Israely open discrimination against the palestinians.

    This is just the truth.

    (I will repeat again. I support peace, and love your neighbor policies. I am not a muslim. As a matter of fact I don't support Islam (I think it puts way too many unneeded restrictions on people plus some other things I find hard to accept..), but I do support the rights of the muslims to live without oppression. We don't have to believe in the same things, and have the same religion, but we DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO HUMILIATE INNOCENT PEOPLE. If the Americans know how much the average Palestinians suffer from Israel, America wouldn't give them this support. But no media in America will air the truth about the conflict Israel - Palestine. The jewish lobby is too powerfull in America. And they buy politicians to serve their cause or remove those who they don't like.
    Until this Jewish lobby has the influence to direct US foreign policies I don't think something will change.
    May God help the oppressed no matter which country they live in or religion they have.
     
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    My dad told me, before 1948 there was no Israel, Palestine was the homeland of Palestinians whether they were Muslims or Christians or Jews where they lived in peace, till some evil powers came to claim that the land is theirs, and started to commit massacres and kill innocents, to drive them out of their homeland,

    So if you ask me, what do I chose, occupation or fighting back till the end, and even after the end, I will chose option 2 ;)
     
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    Jews and Muslims lived so peacefully before 1948... Nice joke.
    Did you forget 1929 Hebron Masscare?
     
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    If you read my post again you will see, that I said all Muslims and Christians and Jews lived in peace there, not until 1948, but until the evil powers came and claimed the land is theirs, you should learn more about the history of Palestine, below you will find a quote from a UN document, which gives an idea how things were in Palestine, before Zionists decide to steal it,

    as for what you call as Hebron Massacre..

    its called 1929 revolt, I can understand why there is a need to fake and change names, it been repeated many times during history, mostly to try to gain sympathy and throw the blame on the victim,

    to answer your question, no, I did not forget 1929 revolt, it seems you did, first because you do not know its name, second because it has been mentioned here many times, there has been an investigation done which been posted too,

    67 Jews were killed in 1929 revolt, as Zionists sources say, but they always fail to mention the 153 Arabs who been killed in the event, do you know why? if not I will be glad to tell you

    so if you meant Arabs been massacred there, then you might be more accurate,

     
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