They've f-ing done it again

Discussion in 'SEO' started by MikeSwede, Dec 24, 2006.

  1. MikeSwede

    MikeSwede Peon

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    #21
    but it seems like it is not and MC is as always just full of crap. He is probably right about tellings us that is was no update, no algo change and nothing else for that matter, so, WTH was it???
    He is just splitting hairs and blowing smoke up ours you know what. I don't even go to his blog anymore. It's just full of personal touchy feelings and then denials from Google "NO, we didn't do it, it must you who screwed up again...."
    It seems to me that what they have been doing is to shuffle around keywords. From some sites I see queries that people have used, queries that I haven't seen before, while the ones I track (kinda') is not as common anymore. The sites that went into supplemental hell doesn't, of course even have any keywords to talk about.
    Speaking about supplemental hell, one thing I have noticed is that pages that I happened to have misspellings on, they were all in supplemental index. When I fixed my typo's they came out of supplemental. Maybe they are "punishing" you for not being able to spell? Or the real reason is that a lot of spammers have used typo's to get rankings and used typo-squatting (misspelled domain names) to get hits from people who types a word wrong..... Anybody else seen this problem with typo's?
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #22
    As I've said before, Google inspires more superstitious thinking than any other single factor in recent years.

    So you fixed your typos and the pages came out of supplemental? Uh-huh. And then you put the typos back in and the pages went back into supplemental? :rolleyes:
     
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  3. LaCabra

    LaCabra Goats R Us

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    #23
    Sorry to hear sundaybrew. I had a similar thing happen to one of my sites ... went from 150K pages to 12K and my earning took a severe hit. My moral took a heavier one, but I've moved on ... hopefully ONE DAY things will be back to normal but for now I work on my other sites and am planning a huge update to my crippled site.

    Hope things turn around for you - Merry Christmas.
     
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  4. almir

    almir Peon

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    #24
    well, I am still waiting... :)

    My sites were sropping and coming back whole this month.

    3-4 days ago, only one dropped again, and I literally doesnt have single Google visit from then

    Some keywords went from #1 to #700..

    But I am patient, I just dont believe my site is so bad to stay there, i believe it will come back.

    When ?

    Google knows :)
     
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  5. MikeSwede

    MikeSwede Peon

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    #25
    Not all pages with typo's are in supplemental, but I have seen a lot of pages in the search results that are supplemental if you happen to type in your search words wrong. I know that a lot of people did put in misspelled words just to capture people who can spell or just happen to mistype a word. Check out a lot of the pages when Google tries to "correct you" saying "Did you mean...."
     
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  6. almir

    almir Peon

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    #26
    In that case I would have all my sites and pages in supplemental :)
     
    almir, Dec 24, 2006 IP
  7. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #27
    and not all pages in supplemental have typos.

    In other words, typos are not causally related to being in supplemental - one has nothing to do with the other - that is the definition of superstitious thinking.
     
    minstrel, Dec 25, 2006 IP
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #28

    Ahh, you just inspired my new signature....
     
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    FireStorM Well-Known Member

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    #29
    This is really very sad !!
     
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  10. MikeSwede

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    #30
    Well, I guess Google decided to get all spam sites back again in their index.
    :mad:
    What I see are tons of pages that has spammed every blog on earth and other sites where they can post their links, and Google give them credit for this.

    Here's a search I did and that I think all of us can use to detect link-spamming: cheap puppies for sale BRACKET/urlBRACKET
    Just replace whatever your keywords are and use the BRACKET/urlBRACKET at the end. Also replace the BRACKET with the keyboard key
    Check it out and let us know what you find out about the BRACKET/urlBRACKET finding.
     
    MikeSwede, Dec 25, 2006 IP
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    yragcom1 Well-Known Member

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    #31
    I can relate with the posts here. I had a site that was doing pretty well last week, with decent SERPs. Then last week, the Big G cut me off. Nearly all of my traffic is gone from G now. I even put on a "Privacy Policy" page to comply more with the quality guidelines. Now, I'm really thinking about just going with Adbrite on my pages, and cutting off the Googlebot. It's burning up more bandwidth that it's worth to have it scan my site.
     
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  12. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #32
    That has happened to various sites of mine on multiple occassions. 50% of the time, Google "finds the site again" in 30 days and it takes another 30 days for the rankings to fully recover. Almost 50% of the time, it takes Google several months to "find the site again." In one particularly annoying case, Google has left a site out in the cold for 11 months now.

    In any case, I would immediately file a reinclusion request. That's really all that you can do.

    Well, that and always maintain at least two (and preferably three) unrelated web properties to balance your income across. Google is far too buggy to be treated as a dependable source of traffic or revenue.
     
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    qwestcommunications Notable Member

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    #33
    When you say unrelated web properties, do you mean websites on different niche/topics?
     
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  14. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #34
    Yes, with few (if any) cross-links.

    Or, let me illustrate this with numbers.

    March: $21,199.89
    April: $22,000.66
    May: $21,295.39
    June: $13,197.93
    July: $9,315.03
    August: $14,374.31
    September: $20,126.57
    October: $23,726.00
    November: $22,563.00

    See June, July, August? In the middle of June, my most profitable web site magically disappeared from Google. It reappeared half way through July, but it took until half-way through August for my rankings to completely recover.

    If I did not have other income (other web properties, another business, savings, etc...), it would have been an extremely stressful time for me.
     
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  15. MikeSwede

    MikeSwede Peon

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    #35
    Will.Spencer is right. You need several sites and hope that Google will not crucify all of them in one blow. My theory is that Google Goes by target keywords when they do updates so if one of your site get hammered by Google then the other ones might survive an update.
    This year has been just a disaster when it comes to Google and Google Search. Up and down and in and out all the time. Can't rely on them for one second.
    It's like a bad map that gets changed almost every day now. Signs pointing to your site disappears or gets hidden somewhere where nobody can see them. Signs being removed so no visitors can find your business. If it was possible to remove Google then I would. Right now you can't build a business online and hope it'll be better for everyday that goes by. I have read about and personally met business owners that had to close their businesses just because of no visitors from Google. I wish I had the money that Amazon.com have. Then you can just tell Google to be included, without sitemaps or other crap they come up with just to keep us in dark.
    I have submitted sitemaps and the only thing that happens is that your site gets reindexed and disappears. Removing the sitemap helps for a while until they have some new brain-fart and tries out something else. They don't understand what it does to businesses as long as it doesn't effect themselves.
    Thank God 2006 is almost gone because it's been a shitty year when it comes to Google :(
     
    MikeSwede, Dec 25, 2006 IP
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    #36
    I think it is the fact that google hasn't messed up, as they change the way they rank sites all the time.

    My sites have also lost rankings, but it is up to me and all others that own sites to not only depend totally on google for your traffic.
     
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    #37
    I've started comparing my results in Google to thoes in Yahoo recently. In my market Yahoo looks pretty much the same week after week and gives good search results. Google is so hell bent on buying everything on the web perhaps they could make yahoo an offer for its alog or start serving "powered by yahoo" results until they sort out their busted search engine.
     
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    #38
    you sound bitter =p
     
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  19. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #39
    I have done several rounds of scientific testing and the results are clear, Yahoo does provide better search results.
     
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    #40
    Well, 3 days after site I was writing about here dropped,all my money makers disappeared.

    I had 100-120 $ /day in last 2 months..... today I expect to finish at some 15-20 $

    Classic Knock Out
     
    almir, Dec 26, 2006 IP