These are the faces of Islamic Oppression

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  1. danger9918

    danger9918 Well-Known Member

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    #221
    These girls were killed because of their fathers cultural beliefs not his religion. Islam has never ordered anyone under any circumstances to kill their daughters. culture-wise, the fear of shame from in the society from the scandal is what forces them to do it.

    Note. before islam girls in the gulf used to be buried alive because of fear of shame and poverty.
    After islam came and enforced on them that they are not to kill their daughters under any circumstances this whole idea has disappeared.
     
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    danger9918 Well-Known Member

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    #222

    The civil war going on in iraq is caused from the fact that both sides are seeking something that only one can have, which is political power.
    Although they might religiously disagree, but that is not the cause of their conflict.
     
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    #223
    I beg to differ on this, the current civil war was between Shiite and Sunnis, is it not? It is not between any arbitrary groups of militants.

     
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    #224
    Saddam Hussein (I agree he's a dictator) used to murder,torture shitte muslims throughout his rule. Although it was universal but he treated sunni's better in a better way.
    Now that he's out of the way, its only natural that shitte muslims are going to try to rule iraq.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #225
    IMHO Saddam done that because he wanted Sunnis to support him and also because Sunnis and Shiites are rival factions in Islam.

    When he is gone, the controlling forces that prevent the enmity of the two factions disappear and they started fighting. They fought not just because of political gains but also because of religious reasons. I would say it is a combustion of these two reasons that contribute to the civil war.

     
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    #226
    I dont really agree with that assumption. I cant prove it wrong as it your opinion.
    Note this, A religious war is one that you are either ordered by god to fight another person/group or if you in your own beliefs infer that from god's orders
    In the kuran, it is stated that if a muslim country ever attacks another muslim country, as muslims, the attacking muslim country should be attacked by all muslims.
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    I beg to differ yet again, I am not giving any assumption, I am just stating a fact that the civil war is between Sunnis and Shiites and never in my posts did I mention that it is a religious war. It would be more appropriate to classify it as a war between the various factions of Islam.

    Iraq attacked and conquered Kuwait, it took the Great Satan to organize an offensive to give Kuwait back to its people. The rest of the Muslim countries provided only token military forces. I do not see the attacking Muslim country being attacked by all Muslims. In fact it was the Islamic allies in the first Gulf War which persuaded the elder Bush not to enter Iraq. They themselves did not attack Iraq either. Of course I stand to be corrected.


     
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    #228
    I stated that the koran orders us to do it, I never said that the muslim countries actually follow what the koran says.
    And dont give saudi arabia as an example, they are extremists when it comes to inside issues but when it comes to foreign affairs they are loyal to the US first and to their religion second.

    Note. This is post 998, im planning on making posts 999,1000 and 1001 happy posts. ( its my birthday today as well ) i'll reply at post 1002 :D
     
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    #229
    This really perplexed me. If Koran orders Muslims to do something and Muslims do not do it, whats the use of having the Koran in the first place. I had seen so many instances of Islamic laws in actions, surely the Koran must be followed?

    Or can those countries choose which part of the Koran to follow and which part not to follow? Nowhere am I giving Saudi Arabia as an example. The coalition includes far more Islamic countries than Saudi Arabia. I don't see them attacking Iraq at all. In fact if my memories did not failed me, they even avoid confrontation with Iraq, letting the Great Satan done all the fighting claiming they did not want to attack their Islamic brothers. Surely this contradicts :

    BTW have a Happy Birthday!

     
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    #230
    Beside the facts that I don't support the killing of innocents or the less for more, I will never speak of what I believe in nor what my stands are.

    Educated discussions shouldn't speak of opinions or standing, rather facts.

    Peace,
     
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    Barti1987 Well-Known Member

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    #231
    It is OK not to know something:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17722026

    Hope this helps you clear things out.

    Peace,
     
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    #232
    And yet you do support murdering "anyone who says something negative against God or any of his prophets."

    Very interesting...
     
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    #233
    And yet somehow the Amish in Pennsylvania manage to struggle for political power without murdering each other.

    And the Mormons in Utah. When was the last time that you heard of a Mormon death squad hunting down it's political opponents?

    Likewise, the Hindu's appear to be able to handle most politics without slaughtering each others families.

    Even Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are not murdering each others campaign workers.

    Why is it that Islam appears to completely dominate the Global Incident Map?
     
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    #234
    I do? Wow, please tell me what else do I support?

    Are you even bothering reading what I write. Maybe my vocabulary is too hard for you? Please do tell me, I'll try to write it in a simpler manner.

    Peace,
     
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    #235
    according to you, who is not "innocent?"

    Is someone who pisses on a picture of Muhammad innocent?

    Is someone who burns the Koran innocent?

    Is someone who persuades people to reject Islam innocent?

    Is someone who curses Allah innocent?
     
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    #236
    They're ill mannered and disrespectful for others' beliefs and they're a bunch of idiots, but why would you assume that they're guilty from a legal point of view? Excuse my language, but pissing on a book is not illegal. Murdering someone is, on the other hand.

    My experience with islamic believers is so far good, I had no problems with the ones I met. But then again, they were not fundamentalists. I don't agree with everything Will says (or maybe, not the way he addresses the whole issue, sometimes with sarcasm and finger pointing) but I think he's right when he's separating islam into "regulars" and fundamentalists.

    But like I said, somewhere way back on this thread: christianity had a similar period in its youth. The problem with Islam is that it's a younger religion and I'm pretty sure things will settle down in the (hopefully near) future. In any case, we're going towards an atheistic/agnostic society, so fortunately our children's children's children's children's children won't be having the same disscussions we're having today. Best wishes to all, christian, muslim, hindu, hebrew or areligious.
     
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