The Ultimate Adsense secret (What the other guys don't want you to know!)

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  1. TestedAdSenseNiches

    TestedAdSenseNiches Guest

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    #21
    No it would not. When you think that CPM is getting paid per impression, you are only partly correct. What you don't see is that the price of getting paid per impression is determinded by what CTR of the banner is. If advertiser sees that ad doesn't get clicked, they don't pay much. Do you know that you can buy ads for popups of 10 cents per 1000 impressions? How come nobody is lining up? Because out of 1000 impressions there may be 0 clicks.

    Back to AdSense. Traffic is not the critical factor in AdSense success. Sure, on one hand it's like oxygen. No oxygen, no life. You'll just die. No traffic, no money. That part is true. However, as logica as it sounds - get more traffic, get more money is an erroneous assumption. I can get 20000 people of extra traffic to my site in a matter of 8-9 hours. It happens rather frequently, when my news get picked up by RedDit.Com or Digg.Com. However sometimes that much traffic will give me only $6 worth of clicks, sometimes over $60. The difference - topic of article and what ads are being displayed.
    You can't get rich if 20000 visitors generate only $6, no matter how hard you try. No forget this traffic nonsense. Yes, it's important, but there is no way that most people who have AdSense account will get massive traffic. It's not gonna happen. Traffic isn't the answer.
     
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    #22
    Sounds like a great title for an adsense ebook.
     
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  3. adsensepublish

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    #23
    Making money with adsense is a job.
     
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    #24
    An inside man in Google is all you need! Hint! Hint!
     
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  5. NewToAllThis

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    #25
    It's true, traffic is not important if you are not getting clicks. My site is proof of that.
     
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  6. TestedAdSenseNiches

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    #26
    Yes, saying that traffic is important for AdSense is akin saying "having arms is important for playing basketball". Sure, it's imposible to play basketball if you have no arms, but having all your body parts intact isn't exactly what it takes to become a pro player. Likewise, having traffic is not enough to succeed in AdSense. Forget traffic. You aren't going to get much anyway, learn how to make money with little traffic, that far more important that hoping that one day your site will be featured in The New York Times.
     
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  7. fablex

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    #27
    traffic is only important to reach a certain level, like say, a thousend visitors a day. From then on, it is all about increasing your CTR, or increase your traffic while your CTR stays the same.
     
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  8. TestedAdSenseNiches

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    #28
    Yes, thousand visitors is easy to achieve.
     
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  9. jackburton2006

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    #29
    "Forget traffic" he says. :rolleyes: I used to think you were just talking out of your ass, TestedAdSenseNiches, but now I realize you simply have no idea what you are talking about, and whatever success you've managed on the net has been through dumb blind luck.

    NewToAllThis, if you are getting a lot of traffic and not converting, it's not the traffic's fault. It is very hard to make money WITHOUT traffic if you have a general site and not a highly specialized site, regardless of what TestedAdSenseNiches is shooting out of his ass today. Email me your site URL and I'll tell you how to convert your traffic, then you can come back here and tell TestedAdSenseNiches that he's full of it when he says "traffic isn't important"

    MediaHustler, you are right -- TRAFFIC IS OF VITAL IMPORTANCE to earning on the Internet. Not only with Adsense, but also with any other program you sign up for. You should ignore everything TestedAdSenseNiches says from now on, because anyone who makes such bold statements about how "traffic doesn't matter" is clueless. Sometimes I think TestedAdSenseNiches's entire purpose here is to "help" as many people make as little as possible so he can grab all the money for himself.

    Having said that, if you have a website, you can't make money without traffic, and the more traffic you have, the higher your chances of increasing your income. No traffic means no chance. And that is a FACT for 99% of websites out there. The only hiccup in this is if you are strictly running an affiliate scheme where you buy traffic and direct it to a merchant. Then you don't need organic traffic, but even so, you still have to buy your traffic in order to send it to your merchant.

    If you have a general website, or a website at all, you rely on traffic to earn money, and the more traffic you can get, the more you will earn, regardless of what TestedAdSenseNiches claims today.
     
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  10. yirmumah

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    #30
    TestedAdSenseNiches does make a good point with learning how to earn from little traffic though. I mean, if you focused your work, could you imagine how much you'd make when the bigger traffic did come in?
     
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  11. Tyler Banfield

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    #31
    You make a valid point. If you focus your content carefully and take the time to plan out your AdSense layout, you can make good conversions on whatever amount of traffic you get because your ads will be targeted. However, you do need traffic to keep the clicks coming. I think the best thing to say is focus on your content first, traffic second.

    However, I see where Jack is coming from also. For the best example of a site that makes money from AdSense solely due to traffic, take a look at http://www.plentyoffish.com . I listened to an interview with the creator of this site. He runs it by himself, and makes over $10,000 a day from AdSense because he gets around 15 million hits.
     
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    #32
    attitude not aptitude... :)
     
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  13. tbarr60

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    #33
    Here's the best plan I've come across:

    1. Teach yourself some web developement skills.
    2. Get or create a lot of content.
    3. Test a lot of niches.
    4. Spend a lot on Adwords and others to buy clicking traffic in the good niches.
    5. Hand the Adsense check over to the wife.
     
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  14. NewToAllThis

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    #34
    Maybe TAN was just being sarcastic. ;) But you have made good points and I will consider your offer. Thanks.
     
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  15. jackburton2006

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    #35
    Ah, but listen to what you just said -- when the bigger traffic did come in. According to TestedAdSenseNiches, even when the bigger traffic comes in, it won't change a thing, because according to him, traffic is superfluous. Pure B.S. There is a difference between learning to make money with a small, niche site that doesn't require a lot of traffic, and saying outright that "traffic doesn't matter" in every case in the known universe. The fact is, the more traffic you have, the more potential you have to make money; the less traffic you have, the harder you have to work and the more you have to spend to get traffic over there. In the end, traffic does in fact matter a whole lot to the success and failure of your average website.
     
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  16. jackburton2006

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    #36
    How exactly are his points "valid". Everything he's said is flawed and spits in the face of logic. Even if you were to focus your content to the extreme and optimize your ads perfectly, 100 visitors will still be just 100 visitors. You double that number and you've doubled your chances of getting clicks. You triple that, and triple the chances. Five times it, ten times it, etc. The more traffic you have, the more your chances of higher earnings.

    Traffic is pretty bloody important, and to dismiss it outright is so damn stupid I can't even fathom why some people fall in line with him. I mean, folks, can you just think about this?

    You open a store. It's the perfect store. Everything is where it should be. You have the primo location. But you only get 100 customers. Oh sure, you're selling $100 coffee, and 100 customers buying $100 coffee is pretty good. But what if you get 200 customers buying $100 coffee? 300 customers? 400?

    Same with a website. The higher your traffic (customers) the higher your earnings. To say any different is simply and unfathomably dense.
     
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  17. MediaHustler

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    #37
    Yes jackburton is correct.

    Those of you say you can get more money with less traffic by doing some other tricks. Lets face it people all you can do is placement and ad-blending. The rest that you make is from traffic. Those of you who say what I just said are stupid and prolly don't make any revenue with adsense.

    Also, I've tried everything but increasing my traffic. So I said what the hell, I worked my ass off and now i'm getting GOOD traffic and went from .50 a day to 8 dollars a day! And Steadily rising!

    Traffic + Content = King
    Placement + Blending = Queen
     
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  18. cencurut

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    #38
    Tips, Traffic, Technique, Time,
    and
    Content, Keywords, Backlink, PageRank,
    and
    Money

    That's what you needs.
     
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  19. Mystique

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    #39
    I believe there is no ultimate secret, because is word already spread through the grapevine.

    Lots of time and dedication to develop a website, improving its content and AdSense placement on a daily basis.
     
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  20. TestedAdSenseNiches

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    Yes, and the point is? Google makes billions, and? The problem is that it's safe to say that NOBODY in this forums will EVER get 15 million hits. It's not going to happen. Most folks here will NEVER get so much traffic that they won't know what to do with. Saying that traffic is important for AdSense is like saying that the best way to get rich is to have a millinaire uncle or aunt die and you'll inherit their riches. Well, it's technically correct, but most of us don't have rich aunts and uncles.
    Go ahead and ask "Jack" how much traffic she (or he) gets. And the answer will be very low. My guess is two people a day, grandma and Jack him/herself. Just kidding.

    Seriously. Saying that traffic is important is as stupid as hoping that software company will develop better software just because you replace old computers with new ones. Sorry, it's not gonna happen. Computers don't develop softeware, people do.

    The question isn't traffic, the question is maximising your profit from EXISTING traffic. That's where the money is. If you make 6 bucks from 20000 daily visitors and you work really heard to get 40000 daily visitors, so your revenue doubles to 12 bucks a day, you still make less than a pimpled teenager who works at McDonnalds part-time.
    You can make a full-time living with as low as 3000-5000 visitors a day (my definintion of full-time living is $100 a day). You can make $30 a day from 1000 visitors, which is fairly easy to achieve in a lot of niches (easy to get 1000 visitors, not that it's easy to get $30 from that 1000 visitors).

    The big problem is when you work your ass off getting traffic and that traffic doesn't pay.
     
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