That's a good strategy. I learned just how important focussing on pagerank really is from experienced seos in this forum although I still see a lot of people, mostly newbies, giving too much importance in pagerank. Congrats on the publicity received in demystifying pagerank. Sites that are penalized may show pr 0 but banned sites show a grey bar or 'unranked' unless something has recently changed.
Good call again Bri... I haven't seen a GREY in a while, but I know of what you speak. I can say without hesitation that a PR0 is merely a sign of some heavy infractions, but not BANNED. I held my #1 on Google with a PR0 for 'affordable business development' - 'Competition' 87,600,000, with 'complications' from a poorly planned company division (1 company split into 3). Problems were corrected, but we still hung out at #1 with PR0 for quite some time..lol
Nice thread, took so long to read and conclude but so far I concluded the following:- 1-PR is what we should not aim as the google say in the web master guideline,"make pages for human not for the search engine" so we should make site for human and content not for the PR. 2-PR is not only the matter that we should have in our mind specially we should throw away the thoughts like I can't rank well as I have new site and have 0 PR. 3-PR helps in updating/indexing your site on regular/comparatively faster interval, it also help googlebot to determine how deep to crawl. 4-PR is usefull incase if one wish to sell domain,site or links etc.... If I have left something to conclude correct me. Thanks thegypsy
Sounds like you are on track to me ( Rep Sent).. I am not against all things PR (TBPR actually) .. I just implore folks to put it in perspective. I get potential clients contacting me with things like " How much for a PRx" etc... it is not a vehicle worthy of targeting an SEO campaign towards. Plain and simple If you do the normal SEO methodologies, PR (TBPR) shall follow accordingly. Have a look at HOW MANY PR (actually TBPR right?) threads there are at any given time here in the Google Boards.... just madness... soooo many other REAL SEO activities could be discussed IMHO
ok.. but once again.. I build REAL business presences... targeting an SEO campaign simply to sell text links isn't much of a business model for me... My clients want traffic so they can convert it within whatever their business model is. So my goal is to rank for money and long tail traffic terms to achieve that. Considering TBPR is no guage of rankings - I don't see it as a focal point of serious SEO campaign I have certainly acredited the Link/Site buying crowd.. but it is what it is
Hello Phynder, If you are looking for the backlink buying economy on DP, than why not have look of the aims of people buying backlinks?ofcourse, in majority it would be to gain more traffic in terms of better ranking. However the better ranking can be achieved from several other factors except PR0. So, I go for better ranking than soo many backlink.After all I am concerned about the traffic not with the back link. P.S:No offense inteded.
Perhaps I am not communicating very well. I am saying there are a large number of people who make money via buying and selling links based on PR (a PR based economy); therefore, there is a great deal of consternation within that population. The end result are a large number of threads discussing PR regardless of PR's relationship with SEO. Basically, I am saying that reducing the number of PR threads will only decrease the total number of threads - not increase the threads discussing more meaty SEO concerns.
Ignore the PR threads and give us some juicy SEO things to debate! Which you have been trying, I know.
When looking a PR it is probably best to think of it as a guage of the Quantitly of links a page has pointing to it, more than the Quality. That Quantity is also recursive. Meaning that if a page links to you with a high number of links going to it, it will then pass you more of the quantitly measure. Google still pays attention to links, however qualitly is becoming more important than Quantitly. Qualitly is measured by relevance (of the page linking to you), relavance of the site (IMHO), link placement, trust value of the linking site, etc. If a site has a high PR based on poor quality links pointing to it, then the PR really is of no value. If most of the links are of quality sites than the PR is a pretty good indication. Either way, more is required than just looking at the PR bar. Also good to remember that the PR bar is ALWAYS old data. On the day of the update it is old, being based on links a month of two ago. And the real PR can just as easily be lower as higher then displayed. When choosing link trades its better to go to yahoo and look at the sites links yourself and evaluate the value of the trade. IMHO
I personally place no value in PR for my site. I'm one of those, apparently few webmasters, that is actually sick and tired of Google's "algorithms" and no longer bend over backwards to keep them happy. The ONLY reason I pay attention to my site's PR is because that is what everyone seems to base their link prices on so I HAVE to price my links accordingly.
That's where the problem lies, though. Say only 55% of webmasters really care about pagerank, the remaining 45% have to "worry" about it to "keep pace" if you will.
Pagerank is somehow important for link exchanges. Some people tell that PR is not that important because PR varies per data center except if you have all your site's PR equal in all Google's DCs.
I don't think it's so much that the PR varies at different datacenters that makes PR less important. You can usually figure out what the newest toolbar PR is if you are watching the datacenters. People usually discount TBPR because it is at least 3 months old data and could be up to 6 months old. I still use it as a factor in link exchanges nonetheless.
Like I said at the beginning of the thead waaaayyy back... I mentioned outside of Link exchanges and selling links/sites/domains.... I am talking about a REAL value... I understand the sub-culture associated with it