The truth about linkbuilding that DP doesnt want to hear

Thank you for the tips.

 

Ha ha ha, so many incorrect statements I could laugh.

 

This is a very confusing thread. I came in here hoping (as a n00b) to learn about SEO and I heard lots of info but can't tell what's what. Sort of some bickering going on too.

Is there any url people can give that has good introduction and maybe lessons on SEOing a website?

 

look at www.seomoz.org.
www.seobook.com
http://www.cre8asiteforums.com
http://www.v7n.com/forums/seo-forum/
http://www.webproworld.com/search-engine-optimization-forum/
http://www.webmasterworld.com/
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/
http://www.highrankings.com/forum/

I wouldnt call it bickering, just discussion, seo is a lot about opinion as there a very few actual facts that we know.

 

lol yes, yes you could easily retire from selling a few PR2 links couldn't you?

 

haha...I just gave a sample..

But you can really do a lot from pr2..never mind don't want to start a discussion here!

 

I totally agree. Its laughable. You can rank a site well with article marketing alone. Go and look at ultra competitive keywords like 'london escort' - then see how the top sites are ranking.

 

My blog is only 6 weeks old. There is no overnight success.

 

re: http://www.website-articles.net

It had a PR4, then we took our Google sitemap and gave the article pages the same priority as the main index page. Since then, the PR has gone down to a 3 and then to a 0 - but the traffic has actually increased and the clickthroughs to the author pages have also increased.

Has the SEO to the linked pages increased? Hard to say.

Take a look at some of the articles - they have PR2 and 3 rankings...almost unheard of from an article directory. But would a link from those article pages be more influential than a link from the diretory's home page? I can tell you factually that the answer is no, it wouldn't be...at least not at this very point in time.

In my opinion, PR is somewhere in the middle of a big change and none of us have figured it out yet. There is ALWAYS a reason and a method to something like this, it's just a matter of figuring it out.

Respectfully,
Allen Graves

 

Hight PR seems to give the best linkbuilding juices as compared to PR 0. That's my experience.

 

I am actually rather enjoying this little discussion, it just goes to show how little we all actually know xD

 

Jenny:

A lot of stuff that you said - where in the world is your source?

This is what I do agree with you on:

PR is of the past. Even experts in the field have acknowledged that. I think Matt Cutts in a YouTube video even came close to saying this as well. I'll have to find the YouTube vid and post it back in here.


This is what I don't agree w/ you on:

Sorry...but I post on DoFollow blogs and forums all the time. I have seen my sites move up in the SERPs - so where is your source of the above quote????

I agree with your next statement to post "a little" on DF "...but make sure your page is relevant to your site..." - I will agree with that. I'm a firm believer in staying "on-topic". Though, I will have to admit, I have posted in irrelevant sites and still my sites have climbed - just not as much.

Finally, you said, "

Please name the source of this sentence. I'm just not buying it.

 

i say just do what ever feels right. if you are using a method that is working well for you, then continue. everyone has their own opinions and not everyone is correct. I am not even agreeing about link directories because i feel that they still work.

 

i agree with indyguide, i also think this discussion is pretty valuable but mostly for the functional side. efficient ways to linkbuild

 

matt cutts actually said this a while ago too.

http://www.seo.com/blog/google/matt-cutts-does-domain-roundtable/

 

Thank you very much for the source. A great recap of the interview!

 

well i had a look at 5 of the top 10 and all i see are paid links, very little article marketing.

Remember this is all relative to your keywords.

If your trying to rank for "Expandable cordless phone system" then you could easily just throw a few articles out there and you would rank.

Im talking about "real" seo and rankings for some real juicy keywords, "shoes" "prams" "toys" etc...

Basic SEO, its common knowledge that edu sites have no extra power from the TLD, the power or authority comes from the fact that a lot are trusted domains but nothing to do With the TLD

 

It means what it usually means. I.e. 'generally'.

I.e. 'other things being equal'

I.e. in a statistically relevant sample, a bias will be shown in in the direction indicated.

Can I make it clearer than that?

I can show you the occasional site ranking for high paying keywords that don't have any content, and dont appear to have any backlinks. Can you replicate their success? NO. Because in general the only way to get high placings in the serps is to have lots of unique content and lots of backlinks.

 

thanks Jen

 

Joomlaart.com is a PR 9 site that distributed its transmenu Joomla module for free via extension.joomla.org.
It has 17,000 .edu backlinks, however none of these sites are related to it whatsoever.

Within the module is the following code:

<div id="jaframeid" style="position:absolute;top:1px;left:1px;height:0px;width:0px;overflow:hidden">

<a href="http://www.joomlart.com"><h1>Transmenu powered by JoomlArt.com - Mambo Joomla Professional Templates Club</h1> </a>

</div>

It has a position of #10 on Google.

The irony of it all is that the #1 spot is given to a page that has nothing to display, I just can not figure out why Google has given it the top rank, it recent appear there just 2 months ago and is holding strong. It has a PR 1 and is 3 years old and no google backlinks